July 27, 2015 4:30 am at 4:30 am #616097sushibagelMember
Are they affiliated with the people going up on Har Habais?July 27, 2015 5:07 am at 5:07 am #1094287JosephParticipant
They disobey gedolei haposkim in organizing tours of the Har HaBayis. Their official plan is to knock down the mosque and build a Temple so it is ready for Moshiach.July 27, 2015 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm #1094289TheGoqParticipant
A hospital for migraine sufferers?July 27, 2015 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1094290DaMosheParticipant
The Temple Institute is an organization that is preparing for the arrival of Mashiach. They are preparing the different vessels to use in the Beis HaMikdash, as well as the materials to use in building it. They have received brachos from some major Rabbonim, including R’ Ovadia Yosef zt”l, R’ Mordechai Eliyahu zt”l, the previous Bostoner Rebbe zt”l, and others. Every year before Pesach, they prepare a lamb in case Mashiach comes just before Pesach, and a korbon Pesach is needed. They usually bring it to R’ Chaim Kanievsky to be inspected, and he gives them a brachah and thanks them for the work they do.
Yes, they do hold it is muttar to go on certain areas of the Har HaBayis, with the proper preparations. This is in line with certain Rabbonim who hold that way. It should be noted that R’ Moshe Feinstein, in OC 2:113, seems to hold it was ok to go on the Har HaBayis. The Teshuva addressed a question raised regarding the fact that both the Tur and Shulchan Aruch it makes no mention of an issur to spit on the Har HaBayis in our times (or in their times, I guess.) The question was asked, is this because we are all tamei meis and can’t go there at all? R’ Moshe refutes this, and gives an alternate answer, which does not involve an issur to go on the Har HaBayis at all. R’ Tendler shlita has said numerous times that his father in law, R’ Moshe, never tried to stop him from visiting the Har HaBayis.
If your Rav holds it’s assur, don’t go! But don’t insult those who follow their own Rabbonim who are mattir it.July 27, 2015 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #1094291Avi KParticipant
There are poskim on both sides. Rav Mordechai Eliahu even wanted to build a bet knesset on the area which everyone agrees is permissible (Techumin v. 3 p. 324). In any case, the main function of the Temple Institute is to provide information about the Bet HaMikdash, create models of keilim and bigdei kahuna, etc.July 27, 2015 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1094292mw13Participant
The Temple Institute has built what they consider to be kosher keilim for the Beis HaMikdash (which can viewed in their location in the Old City, and make for a fascinating visit regardless of what one holds of the Institute and its hashkafos) and hope to follow through and build the actual Beis HaMikdash themselves. Needless to say, almost everybody is vehemently against this idea. And yes, they are one of the groups that advocates Jews visiting Har HaBayis, which the vast majority of the Gedolai HaPoskim of recent generations have ruled is a chiyuv kares ch”v.July 27, 2015 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1094293sushibagelMember
I noticed they seem to be getting rather good press coverage in YWN and other Jewish media, which is odd since those going up on har habayis are usually not portrayed in such a positive light.July 28, 2015 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1094295Mashiach AgentMember
theres no need for them to do this, cause as the gemara says Hashem himself will build the 3rd bais hamikdosh. not klal yisroel
may it be very soon with the coming of mashiachJuly 28, 2015 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1094296
MA: It’s a Machlokes Rishonim. They’re preparing in case the Shittah that says that we have to do it is correct.July 28, 2015 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1094297mentsch1Participant
Not to mention that creating “Kelim” is guesswork
How can they claim to know the exact dimensions and look of the kelim?
Can you imagine putting your entire lifes kochos into building these kelim only to be told, whooops, you got it all wrong.July 28, 2015 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1094298Avi KParticipant
MS, whether it is a chiyuv karet is a machloket between Rambam and the Raavad. In any case, it only applies to the place where the Bet HaMikdash was and not all of Har HaBayit (Hilchot Biat HaMikdash 3:5-12).July 28, 2015 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #1094299
mentsch: Why? We know the minimum Shiur for everything and there is no maximum Shiur by the majority of them. They’re not making an Aron.July 28, 2015 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1094300mw13Participant
Sam2, I don’t believe that the issue is as simple as you’re making it out to be. For example, there is a famous machlokes if the words kadosh la’H’ on the tzitz were on one line or on two lines. So the TI, in an attempt to satisfy both shittos, printed kadosh in small and la’H’ in big. (This can easily be viewed on Google Image Search.) Now I’m admittedly no expert on the matter, but I think it’s somewhat of a chiddush to say that this could be considered two separate lines. And if that chiddush is not accurate, the man di’amar that holds two lines would hold that it is pasul. And it could be that even according to the man di’amar that holds one line, the words should be the same size.July 31, 2015 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1094301
mw13: True. But it’s presumably Kosher B’dieved. So the Kahon Gadol will have this one available to wear for a few days until we can Pasken what the proper way to make one is and make a better one.
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