May 22, 2012 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #603546gabieMember
What is YOUR heter to be on the Internet? We all know the psak halacha just issued by the Gedolei HaPoskim. You can only be online if you a) have a heter AND b) have a filter.
P.S. Please no bashing or yelling or screaming “and what about you”. Respectful discussion only, please.May 22, 2012 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #876043luv2hackMember
I don’t have a filter and I don’t have a heter.
My husband owns his own business online and without it we would have basically no parnassah.
I’m a graphic artist and to do my job I need to research, download images and look for inspiration online.
My husband works from home so the internet is filter-less in our home.May 22, 2012 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #876044Sam2Participant
My Posek didn’t Assur the internet. I think that’s reason enough.May 22, 2012 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #876045wanderingchanaParticipant
Maybe we could first establish if you hold by these presumptions?:
1) Anyone reading/posting here is obligated to abide by every psak issued by any gadol hador.
2) Anyone reading/posting here abides by any psak issued by any gadol hador unless they have a heter.
3) Anyone reading/posting here is obligated to describe their heterim to you.May 23, 2012 1:13 am at 1:13 am #876046lakewhutParticipant
Let’s start with you first.May 23, 2012 1:38 am at 1:38 am #876047OneOfManyParticipant
I have a heter to harass the trolls. Actually, just the troll. ^_^May 23, 2012 2:18 am at 2:18 am #876048zahavasdadParticipant
I make all my parnassah from the internet and everyone who knows me knows this is trueMay 23, 2012 2:43 am at 2:43 am #876049kfbParticipant
Hmm let’s see.. Maybe bc I’m not 5 years old and can make decisions for myself. If I’m mature enough to be married and have children I can decide for myself to use the Internet.May 23, 2012 7:52 am at 7:52 am #876050Loyal JewMember
I am allowed to use only my employer’s computer and with my employer’s permission (he also has a filter), to do it only during breaks, to visit no sites that have anti-Torah tendencies, and to talk in my posts to the readers in general or to those who I know are men (not to women).May 23, 2012 7:56 am at 7:56 am #876051Loyal JewMember
kfb — Since when does the mitzvah of kechol asher yorucho apply only to 5 year olds? Even Eisov had a posek…May 23, 2012 9:01 am at 9:01 am #876052
Pretty much similar to luv2hack, zahavasdad and kfb. All three combined.May 23, 2012 10:06 am at 10:06 am #876053gabieMember
So the heter is ” I feel like it”. Anyone else?May 23, 2012 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #876054gavra_at_workParticipant
My Posek didn’t Assur the internet. I think that’s reason enough.
This. Furthermore, I wouldn’t consider any P’sak of Eretz Yisroel or Chassidim binding EVER.
Besides, having a hetter for Parnassa is serving the almighty Dollar instead of the Ribbono Shel Olam. Afar L’Pumech of those who say the internet is assur, but muttar for parnassah. Working on shabbos is assur, but mutter for parnassah as well.May 23, 2012 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #876055PosterMember
kfb, so you don’t need a rav at all? Do you never consult with a rav to assist you in making a decision? Being mature doesnt mean being a “know it all.”May 23, 2012 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #876056TheGoqParticipant
“If I’m mature enough to be married and have children I can decide for myself to use the Internet.”
So those that are unmarried and or childless are immature???May 23, 2012 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #876057BaalHaboozeParticipant
the gedolim said UN-filtered internet is osur! not internet WITH a filter. so i go to YWN CR on my filtered internet throughout the day.May 23, 2012 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #876058
Didn’t they also say you need a heter to even have internet with a filter?May 23, 2012 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #876059
Who says I need a Heter?May 23, 2012 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #876060bptParticipant
I cannot imagine an existence without the CR, so its pikuach nefesh!May 23, 2012 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #876061cherrybimParticipant
My posek says that I have to eat in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres and keep zmanim for davening. What is their heter for not following these psak halachos in the Shulchan Aruch?May 23, 2012 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #876062
Who says I need a Heter?
Isn’t that the psak of the poskim (Rav Chaim Kanievsky, Rav Shmuel Wosner, et al)May 23, 2012 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #876063kfbParticipant
Ohh goq.. You’re so witty. You know what I am trying to say. If I’m old enough to make important decisions, I don’t need other people telling me what to do. It’s definitely a maturity factor here, I would like to think im mature enough to make my own decisions. I decided to get married, I decided to have children, those are pretty mature decisionsMay 23, 2012 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #876064DefrostingMember
Go read Shabbos daf: 13a at the bottom see what Reb Elyahu says! He will blow your mind!
I sense the dark side in you btw.May 24, 2012 12:53 am at 12:53 am #876065OneOfManyParticipant
Defrosting: No, that’s Darth Vader. ^_^May 24, 2012 1:34 am at 1:34 am #876066wanderingchanaParticipant
Since I don’t speak Yiddish, I have no idea which version of which psak is correct. Anyone want to break it down?May 24, 2012 1:37 am at 1:37 am #876067147Participant
Likewise, since this Asifah was in an archaic foreign language of Yiddish, nothing therein applies to me, because it is 1 & the same as Chinese for all intents & practical purposes.May 24, 2012 2:08 am at 2:08 am #876068zahavasdadParticipant
The ban only applies to Chasidim who were there (Not Chabad) and Litvish Followers of Rav Wosner and Lakewood.
If you are Sephardic, MO , Other Charedi Yeshivas (Who did not go and might have endorsed the ban) you do not have to follow the ban as your Rabbanim did not impose it.May 24, 2012 2:45 am at 2:45 am #876069
Rav Chaim Kanievsky, Rav Kotler, Rav Solomon, Rav Ahron Feldman, Rav Ahron Schechter, Rav Harari Rafael, and many other Gedolim participated in the psak.May 24, 2012 3:10 am at 3:10 am #876070
1) Rav Shmuel did not. And, not to rehash this argument, but the psak of the Poskim in Eretz Yisrael are not binding on Americans (although neither are those of the American Rabonim; see next comment)
2) I have (as should everyone else) my own posek, who as well did not agree with the asifa and did not give the same psak. As such, who says I need a Heter?
3) To say that any decision made at the asifa is binding is ludicrous for several reasons.
a) the entire klal Yisrael was not represented (I did not see half of Satmar, Lubavitch, the Modern Orthodox, or many people who would probably be referred to as “centrist.”
b) There was no consensus amongst the Rabbonim at the asifa as to what the “psak should be.”
4) Defrosting: I am not sure what you would like me to take out from that ???? . Perhaps you could please explain? (I assume the dark side joke is that, not an ad-hominem attack? 🙂 )
5) My total lack of acceptance of this psak does not mean that I believe that a filter is not neccessary. EVERYONE who uses the Internet should be using a filter. We are human after all, and all possess a ??? ???. I just don’t accept the fact that the only positive use for the internet is business related. hebrewbooks.org, YUTORAH, GTORAH, and the many other sites from which one can download shiurim and/or find divrei torah, and l’havdil, the broadening of my horizons by the amount of secular learning I can accomplish, are all legitimate, and appropriate uses of the internet.May 24, 2012 3:55 am at 3:55 am #876071
Hebrewbooks and the like would be approved by the filter.May 24, 2012 4:13 am at 4:13 am #876072
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