April 5, 2012 12:53 am at 12:53 am #602814Shticky GuyParticipant
I suppose so. This is how it seems to work out. On Yom Kippur there can be a shalom zachor. On Sukkos we breathe in and squeeze into the sukka for a shalom zachor. On Shabbos Chol Hamoed Pesach we put out wine, nuts etc for a shalom zachor. Any other time of year also we make a shalom zachor.
But not this week. A friend had a baby and said he cannot make one. Not on seder night. It just would not work out. When are people supposed to come? During kol ditzrich yesei? During she’eino yodeia lishol? While running away from the shver’s seder table singing dayeinu, dayeinu? While pretending to be on the afikoman trail? In chad gadya?
So he cant make a shalom zachor. For practical reasons. Is there any other time when it cant be made?April 5, 2012 2:22 am at 2:22 am #867676midwesternerParticipant
Never heard of anyone making on Yom Kippur night.April 5, 2012 2:29 am at 2:29 am #867677
Yom Kipur you use besamim.
If we would all 1)start our seder right away, as required by Halacha, and 2)not stretch it out to tell everyone “I went til 3 this year”, it would be quite practical.April 5, 2012 5:00 am at 5:00 am #867678SaysMeMember
uhoh, do i know you?? 🙂April 5, 2012 5:39 am at 5:39 am #867679ToiParticipant
logician- what happened to kol hamarbeh?April 5, 2012 7:30 am at 7:30 am #867680YakovLMember
Shticky Guy -Simple: Make it on Pessach/Shabbos morning Kiddush. Why not then? It does not have to be davka at night.
Logician – BTW, the main thing is to give the brocho to the family and nichum aveilim for the torah the child forgot. On Yom Kippur you can make a nice “sheves achim” and sing some Shabbos zmiros, which you didnt say in shul.April 5, 2012 8:59 am at 8:59 am #867681chofetzchaimMember
No beer and no chickpeas so there’s no way to be yotzei. Also, you can’t eat after afikomen anyway.
On a more serious note, I guess it shouldn’t be any different then Yom Kippur. Have your friends come over for Nirtzah and you can sing Chad Gadya together and smell bisomim.April 5, 2012 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #867682
Firstly, my point was that if the seder would “formally” be over on time, as is best l’halacha, it would be practical to have a shalom zachor. You could happily continue afterwards til you fall asleep at the table.
Second – most delays are not in magid, but in getting ready, hearing 27 mah nishtana’s, giving out maror and korach portions, and afikoman negotiations (apply whichever of the above happens in your family).
Third, most cute vertlach that people say at magid has nothing to do with sipur yetzuas mitzrayim.April 5, 2012 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #867683Josh31Participant
It is a K’nas (penalty) aginst the boy for interrupting his mother’s pesach preparations with his birth:)April 5, 2012 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #867684hello99Participant
you certainly make a shalom zachor tomorrow night, i have been to a number. just serve teaApril 5, 2012 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #867685147Participant
I heard in the name of Rav Schwab ZTKLLH’H that when R’H fell out on a Shabbos, he strongly recommended not making a Sholom Zochor, to reduce the inherent socializing that a Sholom Zochor generates, just being hours away from Yom haDin the very next morning.April 5, 2012 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #867686
147 – I like.
And what does R’ Miller say on the subject ? 🙂April 6, 2012 12:44 am at 12:44 am #867687SaysMeMember
nonetheless, at least one father i know’s rav said no shalom zachorApril 6, 2012 12:50 am at 12:50 am #867688farrockgrandmaParticipant
Rabbi Blumenkrantz A”H, was makpid that there should always be a shalom zachor, and a kiddush for a baby girl. (The kiddush could be made up at a later time or even combined with a kiddush for another simcha.) For those who had not had a shalom zachor at the proper time, he encouraged them to make it up at the next opportunity. For the 9-year old who missed because of the Seder night, his family made a shalom zachor shortly before Pesach (used up some of the chametz).
The 40-year old made his own shalom zachor and had his mother as a guest.April 16, 2012 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #867689Shticky GuyParticipant
Josh31: LOL! Thats a great line!
hello99 or anyone else: did anyone attend or hear of a shalom zachor this year after seder nite?
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