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April 13, 2011 4:57 am at 4:57 am #596305jofesMember
Anybody have any suggestions on what I should do about this??
April 13, 2011 7:55 am at 7:55 am #1085782truth be toldMemberAnother one? Related to yoyo?
Anyone can choose to block incoming texts from a specific number. Phone companies and police departments have all the info
April 13, 2011 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1085783eclipseMemberYou put that number on your phone’s CALL REJECT list and they will get a continuous busy signal.Texts won’t go thru either.I think.
April 13, 2011 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1085784yoyo56Memberi dont think we are related dont know who jofes is but i have the inunedo by sanyo u are able to block certain #s once someone sent me abt 50 texts at once i got really annoyed i blocked their # maybe u can do the same
April 13, 2011 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1085785aries2756ParticipantYou call your phone company and police department and tell them that these kids are harassing you. One visit from the cops and its over. Seriously, why do 12 year olds have cell phones? And parents give them unlimited texting? Can’t the parents take away their cell phones if they are harassing someone? You can go over to the house first if you like and let both the parents and the kids know that you are filing a complaint with the police department.
April 13, 2011 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #1085786HAKOL TOVMemberthis is what happens when parents think they can trust 12 year olds with cell phones! its so sad!
April 13, 2011 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1085787jofesMemberthanks aries, when the kids came home from school i was in their house waiting for them, and i told the parents in front of the kids this is the last warning if it happens again i’m filing a harassment report! i hope its going to stop
April 14, 2011 12:16 am at 12:16 am #1085788GumBallMemberShame on those kids!! who do they think they are?? speak 2 theyre parents again
April 14, 2011 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1085789deiyezoogerMembershame on those kids? whats about their parents?
April 14, 2011 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1085790yoyo56Membernot always do parents have control
June 7, 2015 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1085791🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantI’m borrowing the thread for the title not the topic-
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I am NOT looking for a psak or halacha for this dilemma. I am curious to know what people think about it. I find it comes up on occasion, not always as severely as this time, and Im interested in what others have to say.
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June 7, 2015 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1085792🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantHere’s the story – i am trying to leave out some basics without leaving out the needed info but don’t know if it will work. Feel free to ask questions.
As I have mentioned a few times I have a friend who was involved in a very messy divorce. I have also mentioned that I experienced some very difficult interactions with people whom I had trusted or were in trusted positions. I am not one to share stories of “bad behavior” with my children, but they were there to witness many disturbing scenes.
Here is a mock up of a scenario for the sake of being able to ask my question.
we were all sitting in the living room and witnessed person A following my friend home. We saw them start an altercation with my friend, and then call the police. We heard the police say the reason for the call, and we know first hand it was not true (we were watching thru the window). Person A then reported this incident (claiming my friend did what he was accused of doing) to a Rav who now accepted it as fact. My children were in the room when the rav called (we didn’t know at the time why he was calling) and he gave over instructions to us based on this false report. We told him we knew the report was false but he was very adamant that he knew it was true and that we were to help file the report against our friend.
So that type of thing happened many times with different trusted individuals and it was very very painful and disheartening. My children know that we feel this rav let us down and that respecting this man became difficult. (tho we NEVER spoke it out). Now it is a year later and I received a second hand message of regret from this particular rav. I am surprised and pleased. I am grateful. I am also very sad. My dilemma is this (two things):
Would it be good for my older children to know about this gesture since they know about the “behavior”?
My friend was so badly burned by so many people. I would love to tell him about the message because he would be impressed that it was done (maybe make the person look better in his eyes?), but it may only lessen his ‘hatred’ from 100% to 90%. He would be happy for me, but it could certainly bring forth many comments/thoughts of lashon hora due to his own experiences and his lack of receipt of any such regret toward his ill treatment.
So…what do you feel is the right thing to do, what are your feelings on this dilemma?
June 7, 2015 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1085793JosephParticipantWould it be good for my older children to know about this gesture since they know about the “behavior”?
Why would you doubt that they should know about this gesture?
Your friend is a tougher call, whether you should tell him, since you indicate his reaction may include speaking l”h. If you were confident he wouldn’t, then why shouldn’t you tell him too?
June 7, 2015 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1085794🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantI agree. I have just been hesitant to bring up the subject of his behavior at all since it was inappropriate and I worried about lashon hora. I never gave them the impression that Rabbaim are above the law, but I was hesitant to discuss it for fear of not doing so appropriately. And I guess I didn’t want to bring it up for discussion before there was this to add to it.(which I surely never expected)
June 7, 2015 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #1085795🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantregarding my friend, regardless of what he says, there is no way it will not be a michshol to negative thoughts. Think about where he was in all of this. Is there enough of a gain to justify it? I just don’t know.
June 7, 2015 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1085796☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDoesn’t the rav owe your friend a direct apology? Unless he apologizes to him (in which case your involvement becomes unnecessary), I don’t see how relaying his apology to you would help.
(Did I understand the scenario correctly?)
June 8, 2015 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1085797🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantWhat the rav owes my friend is not my cheshbon. The fact that he was willing to extend a message of regret (which would require an acknowledgement of wrongdoing) would impress my friend.
Why do I care about impressing my friend? I am always wanting to lessen someones negativity toward another person when possible. This would lessen his negativity, but possibly not by enough to warrant the LH that could come out of it.
June 8, 2015 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1085798☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIt’s not your cheshbon; I agree. I just think that it’s reasonable to assume that you friend will not feel less negativity, which would mean that you would be better off not telling him, and that is your cheshbon.
June 8, 2015 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1085799🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantAs I mentioned, I know he will be impressed. The question is about whether or not it is okay to bring up LH to this end.
June 8, 2015 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1085800catch yourselfParticipantIf the Rav has expressed his regret to you, it would seem that it is your cheshbon to be ????? the Rav about what he did to your friend.
If you know that the Rav has not expressed his regret and asked your friend for forgiveness, perhaps you should find a way to remind the Rav that ?????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ?? ????.
Of course, this is a very sensitive thing that must be done with great wisdom.
It would be a great favor for the Rav, and would also help your friend heal.
June 8, 2015 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1085801☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhat I’m saying is that his being impressed that he apologized (sort of) to you will pale in comparison to his feeling that the apology is owed more to him, so that it’s not worth it.
June 8, 2015 5:29 am at 5:29 am #1085802🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantcatch yourself – Thank you for those thoughts, I just don’t see myself saying any such thing to a rav. and i am not convinced he believes he wronged my friend. It was also a third person message.
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