December 10, 2013 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #992162rebdonielMember
My parve chulent recipe is great for vegans (and carnivores, too). You can also do amazing things with Daiya cheese (like making a parve lasagna or macaroni and cheese), meatless crumbles, and a great variety of grains and vegetables (like making stuffed zucchini and stuffed eggplant with vegetables, rice, tomatoes, and onions, etc.)December 10, 2013 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #992163ChanieEParticipant
Mesorah is what Hashem gave us through Moshe at Har Sinai. A dish that became popular a few hundred years ago in some parts of Europe is not at the same level and it is wrong to denigrate someone’s level of observance because they choose to celebrate Shabbos with different foods than you are used to.December 10, 2013 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #992164
I have repeated the force feeding chulent story to quite a few people and many people have written back that they too were force fed chulent and some of them said, not only did they not learn to like the chulent, they began to hate Shabbos because of it and eventually went OTD.
There is a story I heard of a Rav ,once someone went to him and told him he HATED shabbos, the Rav asked why. The man told him back in Europe every week his family would spend the whole week preparing and finding the finiest foods for shabbos, His father would buy only the best fish in the market for shabbos and the Rav thought to himself what a beautiful way to teach about shabbos and then the man said, every shabbos his father forced him “LKavod Shabbos” to eat the fish, every week he would dread when his father would force him to eat that fish and he hated it more and more. Shabbos to him became associated with eating that Fish and he couldnt wait to get away.December 10, 2013 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #992165
Do you like go around collecting bad stories about frum people and cataloging them?
It is good, in case the soton ever needs to be reminded of anything.December 10, 2013 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #992166
Live in your bubble and think everything is perfect and ignore the results of the Pew Report.December 10, 2013 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #992167
lol the Pew Report.
The opposite of living in a bubble is not being the soton’s librarian.December 10, 2013 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #992168RobertzMember
Now that the kids have kids of their own we don’t eat lunch as the shul gives us the opportunity to stuff our faces with all the ashkanzi style foods + a supply of Glenlivet and McCallen. This time of the year I sleep though mincha as wellDecember 10, 2013 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #992169
Its a Mitzvah to give RebukeDecember 10, 2013 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #992170
the soton must be the biggest tzaddik then.December 10, 2013 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #992171
Being forced to eat chulent?? Give me a break!!!December 10, 2013 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #992172WolfishMusingsParticipant
You know something? I’m not a tzedoki. Nor do I feel that I have to “prove” it by eating something hot or meaty on Shabbos.
As it turns out, 99% of the time we do so anyway, but for the occasional week where we have cold cuts or the like, I hardly feel that would indicate to anyone that I don’t hold of the halacha that a pre-existing fire cannot be used on Shabbos.
And if you want to infer from it that it does, well then, all I have to say is that you’re a lousy mentalist.
The WolfDecember 10, 2013 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #992173🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
The image I have in my head is a father holding a kid by the collar of his white shirt and forcing a spoon into his mouth… It’s so far from the reality I know that it’s comical. In my family, the foods served are the traditional shabbos foods. If you choose not to eat it, that’s your choice. There’s plenty of challah and dips…December 10, 2013 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #992174
Chanie E : I didn’t mean to denigrate your style of Shabbos menu, not at all. Ess gezinteheit. Follow or don’t follow any traditions you want…December 10, 2013 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #992175ChanieEParticipant
Truce 🙂December 10, 2013 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #992176
Wolf: There is a minhag to eat cold meat on Shabbos as well!December 10, 2013 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #992177Torah613TorahParticipant
Now you’ve repeated your story here, and repeated it again.
Apparently not everyone whose parents make them taste the cholent goes off the derech.
****Proud child of parent who made child eat teaspoon of cholent once a week and stayed on the derech and even likes cholent now****December 10, 2013 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #992178golferParticipant
Good for you Torah6!
And good for your parents!
And if this thread proves anything at all, it’s that ALL Jews, flaming hot Chassidim, refrigerator cold Litvaks, and those lost under the iceberg of assimilation-
All take their food very very seriously.
Must be something in the Mesorah…December 10, 2013 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #992179
If you think its good parenting and good chinuch to YELL at a kid (I never saw physical force) to get over here (meaning next to the father) while the kid is screaming “I dont want to be fleshig” and then proceed to take a spoon and put it in the kids mouth there is nothing to discuss.December 10, 2013 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #992180
If you think it is good conversation technique to presume that everything always happens in its most extreme way, then I will still discuss with you because I am a troll.December 10, 2013 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #992181☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
torah613torah, i just want to say what an amaaazing person u must b 4 having gone through such hoooorrrible experiences and stil coming out strong. ur such an inspirashun!!!!!!!!!December 10, 2013 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #992182☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Oops, wrong username.
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