July 23, 2020 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1886206Shmerylberyl613Participant
What type of boys are there? Which yeshiva so they go to in Israel? And do they have a kesher?July 24, 2020 8:43 am at 8:43 am #1886278HarotzehbilumshmoParticipant
Upper echelon. Main stream. Brisk, Yagdil, etc….July 24, 2020 8:45 am at 8:45 am #1886288
Bochrim who are very capable in learning, have a serious attitude towards learning, are looking to work on their analytical skills as well as the intangible of becoming a solid, real, dedicated Ben Torah and Ovaid Hashem.
It is not a place for wannabees or bochrim who need diversions such as testing out the many local restaurants, ball fields of social activities. They come to learn and want to find their happiness in learning. There is great peer pressure AND peer support to learn, learn well and learn more.July 24, 2020 11:18 am at 11:18 am #1886339commonsaychelParticipant
Wow, your statement reeks from gauyvah, I feel sorry from that families that there boys marry into, no wonder we have a shidduch crises with such arrogance.July 24, 2020 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #1886387nishtdayngesheftParticipant
Less than common saychel.
It seems that you are presumptuous and arrogant in you assessment. And factually incorrect as well.
You know nothing about the Yeshiva. Those who do will tell you that they are extremely fine boys who are very serious about learning and יר״ש. And the Rosh Hayeshiva is a Tzadik in addition to being a tremendous lamdan and melamed.July 24, 2020 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1886469Shmerylberyl613Participant
Do they have a kesher?July 24, 2020 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1886507YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
Nisht! Thanks for dropping in.July 25, 2020 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1886519
I’m about as critical of yeshivas as can be, but I found nothing in the above description that is gaivadik. Good yeshiva, serious learning, not for beginners, good for them, even kudos. Elitist, maybe, so are all top yeshivas. I wish all the boys hatzlachah.July 26, 2020 2:51 am at 2:51 am #1886608
Stating facts is not gaava. I have many Talmiidim learning there and they are real ovdei Hashem which means they recognize the importance if working on midos, anava, mikabail form Rabbaim, that there is limitless growth which Hashem has invited us to do,and you need to keep striving and working to achieve. As a group and mossad, they are the furthest from gaava. The Yeshiva is designed for bochrim who want to fully immerse themselves in learning to the exclusion of everything else. It is not for those who need or feel they need diversions and a way to take breaks. Here the bochrim learn and the break is to learn other limudim or do chazara. That is not gaava. It is a certain type of bochur and environment. The Rosh Yeshiva is one of the best mecahnchim and role models around and he himself is “shpitz anava” like his father was. He knows how to raie Talmidim to heights of Torah avoda and feelings for chesed. There is no shidduch crisis with bochrim coming from this yeshiva. We wait on line to have a chance….July 26, 2020 9:26 am at 9:26 am #1886627Your voiceParticipant
I am definitely in support of the yeshiva itself, however I suspect they are staunch supporters of the “I must go to brisk” kindergarten.July 26, 2020 9:29 am at 9:29 am #1886657commonsaychelParticipant
your whole response was a stick gaava, I would rather take a mediocre boy whole is normal and and does not think how great he is, then take a iluy who make you worship the ground he walks on.July 26, 2020 9:30 am at 9:30 am #1886668
“shpitz anava”? As in והאיש משה ענו שפיץ מכל האדם אשר על פני האדמה ?
Why take the holy concept of anava and turn it into cheap yeshivishe hock?July 26, 2020 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1886734
@cs where do you get that they think theyre the best of the best? it sounds from the description that theyre very serious about their learning and avodas Hashem. is every person whos serious about their learning and avoidas Hashem making someone worship the ground they walk on? or is it just someone whos porush himself from physical taivos more than most people in addition to all of these thingsJuly 26, 2020 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1886747ahavatyisroelParticipant
I am personally acquainted with dozens of the talmidim of that yeshiva. I can testify about the vast majority of those boys that their middos/anavah are much better than average. There is no basis for the less learning =better middos equqation, in fact according to our mesorah, it is counter-logicalJuly 26, 2020 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1886745
its not turning it into cheap yeshivishe hock, hes just saying the rosh yeshivas an anav. chill outJuly 27, 2020 8:45 am at 8:45 am #1886906
Incorrect. It absolutely cheapens the concept, the expression was even put in quotation marks. The point emphasized (that’s what quotation marks are for) was that it’s not only that the RY is an anav, but that he has reached the peak of anavah, the tip of the blade of modesty, the “shpitz” itself. Sorry, that’s yeshivishe trash talk. You may talk like that often, but it makes a poor impression on others. Telling others to chill out is yeshivishly cool, but a Rebbe should choose his words carefully. And please use apostrophes.
Maybe commonsaychel isn’t so off the mark.July 27, 2020 9:09 am at 9:09 am #1886947
“The point emphasized (that’s what quotation marks are for) was that it’s not only that the RY is an anav, but that he has reached the peak of anavah, the tip of the blade of modesty, the “shpitz” itself.” exactly, so how does that cheapen it? is it because he said it in a yeshivish way that it automatically cheapens it? if a person takes any dvraim shbkedusha and talks about it while sounding yeshivish that automatically turns it into meaningless yeshivishe hock? or no, thats just the way that the yeshivishe world speaks and he isnt cheapening anything by saying it like that, hes just talking as he normally wouldJuly 27, 2020 10:06 am at 10:06 am #1886958RavaParticipant
Every bocher in yeshiva needs to know where he is holding and where everyone else in yeshiva is holding. Its part of life. He needs to know who he can trust to say ofer a shach. One person says over a shach and i can trust he read it right while someone else can read it and a assume he read it wrong. He also needs to know when is he ready to argue on achronim eother for pshat and even to pasken. Some people do not know how to think straight and they cannot trust themselves. Some bocherim in a yeshiva have the authority to just say a pshat is wrong and the bocherim on a lower level should just except it even if they can’t understand why. So everyone needs to know where everyone else is holding. And its not gava just like your rov is not a bal gava for thinking he knows enough to pasken your shalois.July 27, 2020 10:40 am at 10:40 am #1886983🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
CS – I don’t get it. You don’t like the way some random anonymous poster describes the yeshiva so you transfer that to the boys? What Shaichus?July 27, 2020 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #1887046RavaParticipant
Some yeshivas make their talmidim by turning raw materials into good bocherim. Some take only good bocherim give them a place to grow, those came in good bocherim and hopefully leave as good bocherim but their rebbi didn’t make them. Maybe he will give them his unique mahalach and he will become their rebbi that way. So you need to know what you are and what you want in order to pick a yeshiva.July 27, 2020 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1887073Kippa size 8Participant
The only reason anything here would seem gaavadig is if some one feels second class because of it. Nebach. Just because a yeshiva is a truthfully top yeshiva does not make you worse, nor should you have to label them as gaavadig or not normal.July 28, 2020 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1887451
I reached out to some friends. I could not get a clear first hand report. While you are there, you will have a kesher with him. Unless you really dedicate yourself, the kesher will slowly evaporate. (Seems pretty typical. The only unique part is that it is a warmer relationship than your average R”Y.)July 30, 2020 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #1888183
So there is a kesher, but it is the responsibility of the bochur who wants to keep a connection to do so. Is that bad?? I have BH a few thousand Talmidim in 40 years of chinuch. Those who call, write, come by are showing they want to keep a kesher and it becomes a two way street. Am I expected to make “checking on you” or “kesher keeping calls” to all of them?? The few hundred who keep in touch, invite to simchos, gather for reunion Melave Malka in my house, call with needs etc keep the relationship going. Many others habve found other people to connect to. That is fine. When I hear of an issue, problem, tzara, aveilus in any of them I will initiate and reach out. I really believe in moat cases it is the achrayus of the Talmid to try to keep a kesher if he wants it.
By the way “shpitz amava” is not comparison to Moshe Rabbainu ch”v…. it describes someone in comparison to most people in OUR generation. If you’d meet him once for 5 minutes you would understand the description and how he reminds of his saintly humble father.July 31, 2020 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1888431
I was not saying it is bad. Reb Shloimah Fievel La”Y has a very busy schedule and is not able to initiate as much contact as he used to.July 31, 2020 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #1888435
Reb Simcha Schustal zt”l was seen as an anav. Even among the old Lakewooders that included many extreme anavim.July 31, 2020 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1888442
The ‘I must go to Brisk’ idea, no longer exists as anything more than a handful of bochurim who think they were born in the seventies or eighties. [Read, the shtetl!] Bochurim today, talk of being ready to learn Kodshim in any of the dozen yeshivos that offer it.
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