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I am an American who made aliyah like 4.5 years ago, so I’m not there now, but what I see on the news is honestly extremely shocking. Let’s put away Democrats vs Republicans for a second — you have masked people who don’t identify themselves harassing even US citizens for their papers. At least 2 people have been killed. Is the position of the frum community really that “who cares? it’s just a bunch of goyim?” or “DJT loves us, he wouldn’t let this happen to the Jews”. Until it does, even by mistake. Is that what it will take for the frum community to stop supporting this policy? Harm befalling a Jew? Or maybe if it isn’t “the right kind” of Jew, even then we won’t stand up? Wake up people; the country that has been a haven for us for decades is collapsing!
Stop believing the fake news reported by the New York Times, CNN, NBC and all the other liars.
ICE is doing an absolutely fabulous job.
They are masked rightfully because left wing thugs are dozing them and invading their personal lives at their homes.
May ICE continue doing the wonderful job they’ve been assigned in upholding the laws of the United States.
And may all the left wing thugs and agitators interfering with ICE be locked up. The two dead thugs interfered with ice while armed, one with a moving automobile and the other with a loaded weapon, causing the law enforcement officers to fear for their lives. Good riddance to them.
I guess if all your information comes from the mainstream media, this comment makes some sense. Although more likely this is a troll to get people riled up.
Don’t obstruct their work or be an illegal alien, you’ll be OK.
The problem is that your watching the news lol. This is about illegal immigrants not Jewish people.
Illegals are here _illegally_
And the fact that america is not a haven anymore that’s ok it was never meant to be. We are too comfortable here anyways.I must preface this by stating I have never supported ICE or most actions by the Felon in the White House.
That said the frum community will not change its views until many frum white Jews with accents get swept up I. ICE raids, or they lose all their employees, nannies, cleaning ladies and landscapers.
When ICE takes our brethren or it hits their pockets, they might change their minds. If they rake white Jews instead of only people of color, it might change their minds.
There are many different legal aliens in the US who are Israelis who have overstayed tourist visas or are working while on educational or tourist visas. ICE will target them, too.A) Believing that the Jewish immigration wave from 1881-1924 was entirely on the books is one of the greatest myths of Jewish history. I know of specific (since deceased) relatives who entered Canada as a tourist and crossed the forest border. Thank G-d there was no ICE then! Most people in our grandparents’ generations also knew such people. Of course, the Jews who like this are also most comfortable in Exile.
B) Whatever is being said today about Latin Americans (think great replacement, stealing jobs, stealing welfare, poisoning the bloodlines, foreign cultures, etc.) was also said about Jews. Does anyone seriously think the old Jews in the Lower East Side of the 1950s, many of whom lived there for 30+ years, all spoke perfect English? Your NY-raised Ashkenazi grandparents will all remember those who only spoke Yiddish their whole life, a majority of which was in America. Not to mention Jews are also race-polluters, and of course Soros is funding migrants!
C) The 1924 passage of Johnson-Reed Act is quite identical to the motives today in pausing asylum programs, ending TPS for those already here (without their birth country’s situation improving), limiting H1B visas, etc. Those are all legal forms of immigration. Intelligence would be reestablishing the Bracero program or something similar. (Love how “they” simultaneously steal jobs and are on welfare! Because either we need minimum wage laws, or it’s just contradictory.)
How does it feel to be on the same side as Johnson & Reed? Were they right in limiting Jewish immigration? What was the difference between the claims on Jews and Latin Americans, and why the assumption that people lied then but can’t lie now?
Bonus question: Is American a race?chiefshmerel: False comment.
In 1881, the legal landscape for immigration from Eastern Europe, or anywhere from Europe, was virtually entirely open. The restrictive “quota” system didn’t arrive until many decades later. In 1881, there were essentially no federal limits on the number of people who could move to the U.S. fromEurope. Modern requirements like entry visas, labor certifications, or even passports were generally not required by the U.S. government for European immigrants. Because there were no numerical caps, the concept of an “illegal immigrant” from Europe didn’t exist in 1881. If you could pay for the steamship ticket and were healthy, you were legal.
The Immigration Act of 1882 was the first general federal immigration law. It officially barred “criminals, idiots, lunatics”. But it did not restrict the volume of Eastern European immigration. So unless your Zaidy and Bubby were “criminals, idiots, or lunatics”, they were legally permitted to move to the United States without restriction.
1, this smells like a trollish post
2. if you are 7000 miles away you have nothing to worry about
3. Jewish who where illegal were deported, in fact a few made it to the YWN, I have no issue with that same as if a frum guy blows a light and get a ticket.1. For the anti-ICE advocates to make a clean break from the anti-Jewish protest movement (that demand that Jews be “ethnically cleansed” from the river to the sea, as well as to export that policy to America). In some cities ICE is focusing on Muslims who, for better or worse, are leading the movement (joined by most “Progressive” Democrats) to purge Jewish communities – even if in most places ICE is focusing on Latin Americans whom we have no reason to object to.
2. For ICE to start going after the many aliens (mostly Israelis, sometimes East Europeans) living in our communities
One should also note that during the election campaign Trump said anti-immigration enforcement would focus on violent criminals, sex offenders, gang members, and perhaps those who are living off welfare. Instead the focus has become migrants who have been working (with permission, which Biden granted), paying taxes, and are generally family-oriented social conservatives. It appears that Trump has realized it was a major mistake to expand ICE’s activities to non-criminal aliens, and is changing policy.
I’m not getting into the politics here, these are observations of the facts on the ground. The company monitoring security cameras at a building I work at, picked up masked men jumping out of two vehicles with obscured tags, assaulting three men, and kidnapping one. Turns out it was ICE. Let’s hope this doesn’t deter them from calling in future similar incidents, otherwise we will have a scenario in which street thugs can mimic ICE raids as a viable method of kidnapping.
I can’t say I’m excited about the way they are going about making their arrests. This was supposed to be “the worst first,” but since our state declared itself to be a sanctuary, ICE can’t simply pick people up at the courthouses. This put some people into a position where keeping campaign promises now means sending ICE agents out into the community at large.
This doesn’t make communities safer. ICE agents are out there driving dangerously while pursuing suspects (not getting into whether they are profiling or not).
I don’t “support ICE”. I’m not “anti ICE”.
If you are going to make the political choice to emphasize focus on enforcement of these particular laws, make sure you aren’t creating a greater danger to communities.
Did None2.0 come back under a new username?
Chiefsmerel is right on the money. I always like to point out to my contemporaries who are children or grandchildren of immigrants and like to argue that “my parents (grandparents, etc.) came here legally” that, as Chiefshmerel points out, prior to the passage of the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924 there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant. It was, “come one, come all” (except for the Chinese Exclusion Act). Also, the borders were far mor porous than they are today and it was no big deal to move from, say, Alberta to Montana or from Chihuahua to Texas and vice versa.
UJM lies once again! He doesn’t know my family yet knows them better than I do.
My ancestors arrived at different times ranging from 1898-1946. Is there no room for different laws at different times? Which equal different situation. (UJM, are you from an inbred family? Because having multiple ancestors from different regions at different times is a thing these days…)
For reference, the specific ones who crossed the Canadian forest border did it in 1927. Well after Johnson Reed, and UJM thinks it’s fitting for them to have been eventually sent back to Belzec (the death camp, NOT just the town) because we have laws!
So my previous comparisons stand. And I won’t wrestle with a pig for no reason because I’ll only get dirty and the pig likes it.News flash for Democrats pretending to be “Orthodox” Jews:
There are very good reasons why Jews must support ICE:
1. Jewish law mandates that “the law of the Kingdom is law”, thus Jews may not interfere with the lawful actions of the Federal government to enforce immigration law.
2. Democrat open border policies have enabled an invasion of third world criminals and Islamic jihadists who have committed many violent crimes and have been regularly attacking Jews.
3. Many of the illegal alien Islamo-Marxists waging an insurrection against ICE in the streets are also chanting “FreePalestine” and advocating for an Arab genocide of Israel.If these Islamo-Marxists were to overthrow the US government, US Jews would be in a similar situation to the situation of German Jews when Hitler took over Germany.
For US Jews to oppose ICE and immigration enforcement is suicidal stupidity.
אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: דִּינָא דְמַלְכוּתָא דִּינָא.
Shmuel says: The law of the kingdom is the law
(Baba Kamma 113b, Choshen Mishpat 369)chiefshmerel: You really are that dumb and dense. Your original comment above specifically cited the period of “1881-1924”, and that’s what I responded to. Now you move the goalpost and come up with a new period of 1898-1946.
Since when is there an option for a Jew, in a lawful and not antisemitic country [which the USA surely is], to ‘stop supporting’ a government agency? Who is asking for ‘support’ anyway? Just don’t bother them or demonstrate against them. The politicians opposed to them are not good for us. Most of the people they deport are even more dangerous for us. If they are looking for a Jewish illegal [which isn’t their focus for now, and isn’t likely to be a major part of their mission] there are different Halachos… But in general, what’s the problem with them? They’re ‘not nice’? The regular cops also are ‘not nice’ when dealing with violent criminals. Good for them.
YYA: Absolutely. And to further your point, should we advocate eliminating or handicapping the financial fraud department in the prosecutor’s office since sometimes they arrest a Jew? Should we advocate eliminating or handicapping NYPD since sometimes they, too, arrest a Jew?
UJM- why are you so quick to support ICE for the way they deal with criminals but you vilify the Israeli police for the way they deal with criminals? We should support the police in either state for enforcing law and order in their country.
simcha613 said: “Why are you so quick to support ICE for the way they deal with criminals but you vilify the Israeli police for the way they deal with criminals?”
YYA: No one vilifies the Israeli police for the way they deal with [real] criminals…
ICE thugs will be at all polling places at the next election
If that’s not reminiscent of the gestapo, I don’t know what is
They will stand there and bully anyone they don’t like. By then, maybe us Jews will be the target, Heaven forbid.
Those that support ICE , probably supported the gestapo awhile back. PHoooey !I choose the wait for the conclusions of the investigations. I am not ready to pronounce the two deceased protesters domestic terrorists, nor will I accuse ICE of murder. Those rushing to judgment are either blindly pro-Trump or blindly anti-Trump. I want ICE to arrest all the criminals they can. Protesters should NOT interfere.
YYA- Right, that’s your caveat. “Real” criminals. The police are only supported to enforce law and order when you agree with the law and order that they are enforcing. How is that different than the leftists who fight with ICE over people they don’t consider “real” criminals? It’s okay for us to pick and choose in Israel but not okay for the leftists in the US?
simcha613 – “It’s okay for us to pick and choose in Israel but not okay for the leftists in the US?”
YYA: If you honestly don’t understand the difference between the two, so go join the ICE protests.
Simcha: “How is that different than the leftists who fight with ICE over people they don’t consider “real” criminals?”
That’s false. The leftists who fight with ICE do not deny the illegal aliens are real criminals who broke the law when they criminally entered the United States without authorization. The leftists simply want the criminals to be allowed to get away with their crimes.
Entering the United States without authorization is a federal crime.
YYA- doesn’t seem like you know the difference
yechiell lives in lala land.
he doesn’t have the foggiest idea what gestapo did , and what they stood for …
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yechiell is reminiscent of a fool ….and that is a much more accurate statement than yechiell’s …..
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.It seems that the first source of the problems is non-cooperation of some states & cities in arresting “worst ones”. Do we hear of ICE abuse in red states? not so much.
So ICE responded with escalation and arresting who they can. Is it a governmental response to report required numbers? Or is it a deliberate policy to “negotiate” with those states? I don’t know. Anyway, it seems when there are excesses, real or possible, there is public opinion reaction and government reacts to that, so the system works as it should. So far.
But those who honestly have a problem with these cases, rather than making a political point – should go and help ICE arrest criminal aliens and resolve the problem. Maybe organize patrols near police stations, make citizen arrests when someone is let go by local police and call ICE and use your whistle to call ICE.
In 1996, President Bill Clinton (Democrat) signed his IMMIGRATION REFORM ACT
which stated that ILLEGAL ALIENS can be deported WITHOUT JUDICIAL HEARINGS.The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996
authorized deportations of ILLEGAL ALIENS — WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.__________________________________________
When President Bill Clinton (Democrat) deported
MILLIONS of illegal aliens, NOBODY COMPLAINED!!When President Barack Hussein Obama (Democrat) deported
MILLIONS of illegal aliens, NOBODY COMPLAINED!!__________________________________________
When President Bill Clinton (Democrat) deported MILLIONS of illegal aliens,
NOBODY said that the immigration police were like “Nazis”.When President Barack Hussein Obama (Democrat) deported MILLIONS of illegal aliens,
NOBODY said that the immigration police were like “Nazis”.Everybody should have red hair cuz I have red hair. Doesn’t work in real life.
yankel berel – don’t tell us that we don’t “have the foggiest idea what gestapo did”
some of us were there, including me
so just shut your stupid mouth, shmerel
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