December 15, 2016 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #618847
What would you do? If you saw s/o laying on the street.
Give it in steps.
And please be honest – don’t look it up!December 15, 2016 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #1205018
That happened to me years ago in EY. I don’t think she was unconscious; I think she just hurt her leg, but I don’t remember the details.
I happen to be terrible in emergencies, but I went to the nearest payphone (this was many years ago), figured out the number to call for emergencies (I think it was listed on the phone) and called. I then waited with her until the ambulance came.
I went to Shaarei Tzedek on Shabbos to try to visit her but couldn’t find her. So I guess she was okay in the end. I remember it was Shabbos (when I tried to visit her) because I remember the way the receptionist reacted when I got nervous when she started looking the name up in the computer and I told her it wasn’t necessary. She laughed and told me that she’s a goy.December 15, 2016 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #1205019
It depends. If they look like they’re doing it on purpose as a game, frown and move on. If it looks like something is really wrong, I’d ask him to see if he responds. If he says he’s okay, I’d move on. Otherwise I’d yell out to all the other people on the street in a vague panicked scream in case one of them is a trained professional. Then I’d dial 911 on my cell phone. If I wouldn’t have one, I’d frantically run around looking for someone else to ask to call.December 16, 2016 12:00 am at 12:00 am #1205020Abba_SParticipant
This depends if the person appears to be homeless, in which case I call 911(note I live in NYC), and request an ambulance. This is assuming he is not camping out in which case I will leave him alone. If they appear Jewish and it looks like they are hurt I would call Hatzalah.December 16, 2016 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1205021
Yidd23 -“If they look like they’re doing it on purpose as a game, frown and move on”
How would you know that?December 16, 2016 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1205022
Abba_S -“This depends if the person appears to be homeless, in which case I call 911(note I live in NYC), and request an ambulance.”
Why would you do that?
All homeless people lay on the street.December 16, 2016 2:05 am at 2:05 am #1205023
People who play such games usually are fairly obvious.December 16, 2016 2:08 am at 2:08 am #1205024ahronParticipant
1. See if hes a drunk/homeless
2. If not call him
3. if no answer call 911 not hatzalah unless jewishDecember 16, 2016 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1205025
Yidd23 -“People who play such games usually are fairly obvious.”
How so?December 16, 2016 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1205026
Ahron -“1. See if hes a drunk/homeless”
How are you gonna tell that?!?December 16, 2016 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #1205027
Depends but I would prob go up to someone else and ask if they see what I see.
If no one is there and I feel safe, then talk to the person.
Call 911 (can happen before or after the above, depending on the circumstances)
Do people have the hatzalah numbers saved on their phones? It is only for a very Jewish area right? I know one local-ish city that had them. Besides there, I think it’s just 911.
Is the hatzalah trained and accoutable to govt oversight as 911 Emergency responders?
What if you call hatzalah and it gets dangerous? The person starts behaving aggressively.
Does the hatzalah have authority to restrain or retain someone against his or her will?December 16, 2016 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1205028HashemisreadingParticipant
lightbrite? doing late Shabbos this week?December 16, 2016 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #1205029
Lightbrite -“If no one is there and I feel safe, then talk to the person”
You’re the first one that’s even getting close!
The reason I started this topic, because YWN news that they had a article about a video of s/o laying on the ground.
Not only did not one poster get it right, but the magazine in Yiddish was giving e/o false information.
This to me is the most disturbing!December 16, 2016 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1205030
Hatzalah can call 911.December 16, 2016 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #1205031
Yidd23 -“Hatzalah can call 911”
What is your point exactly?
Why would H call 911?December 16, 2016 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #1205032☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Okay, Health, please don’t keep us in suspense; what do you think someone should do, and how did the magazine err?December 16, 2016 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1205033
DY -“what do you think someone should do, and how did the magazine err?”
No problemo! I’ll do it after Shabbos. But first I’d like more posters to answer my OP question!December 17, 2016 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1205034
“Lightbrite -“If no one is there and I feel safe, then talk to the person”
You’re the first one that’s even getting close!”
I forgot to mention – I think I did approach the person first and talk to her.
What in the world could be wrong with calling Hatzalah/ambulance/911?
What is the right answer?December 18, 2016 12:58 am at 12:58 am #1205035
I think the OP wants us to say to talk to the person. Otherwise maybe we don’t know.
I believe you LU. Maybe other posters didn’t say that because it’s obvious and doesn’t need to be said.
But the whole group mentality in psychology and sociology finds that when one person walks by then others think it’s okay. They feel less personally responsible to do something when others are around.
When I drive by or see something, like an accident on the highway without any responders on the scene or sirens in view or hearing distance, I call 911 even when there are other cars driving by.
The other examples are when I heard what sounded like a child in the other neighborhood screaming his lungs out (Turned out to be mating raccoons! Didn’t sound the same as a cat fight.), what looked like a barn on fire in a rural area (dunno what happened), a car accident with a solo passenger, and that’s what I remember off the top of my head.
Btw. I recently learned that you can call 211 to get help for someone who is homeless. Ask them to refer you to a homeless outreach program/shelter in the same county as the person. Even when someone has a sign looking for money, he or she may eventually respond to help if approached by peer professionals.
This is a super chessed imhoDecember 18, 2016 3:27 am at 3:27 am #1205036
Shout out to Ubiq!
What’s the answer to my OP?December 18, 2016 3:55 am at 3:55 am #1205037
Maybe we should join him or her laying down?
Like when you walk by someone looking up to the sky and instinctively also look up?December 18, 2016 6:17 am at 6:17 am #1205039🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
I’m pretty sure RebYidd23 gave the right answer here. If you do not know CPR your best bet is to try to get an EMT on site as soon as possible. If you are trained in first response, of course you first dial 911 and check scene safety before proceeding.December 18, 2016 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #1205040
Who is Ubiq? Is this a poster’s comeback in another username?
I think Joseph did a shout out on another thread.December 18, 2016 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1205041
We really don’t know if the person is unconscious or not.
If the person is really on the street then he or she may be in danger of passing vehicles. Esp cars and trucks.
So if the person can move, that would be helpful. It could be someone who is high or in another mental state that will take instruction to move.
If the person is not moving or responding then some protective barrier should be arranged to divert traffic from the vulnerable person and make a way for emergency responders to arrive to the scene.December 18, 2016 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1205042
DY -“what do you think someone should do”
“If you saw s/o laying on the street.
Give it in steps.”
Check to see if the scene is safe.
If it isn’t – don’t approach! Eg. S/O hit by a car and is laying on the Street.
If it is, then go over! Eg. S/O hit by a car and is laying on the Sidewalk.
Check for unconsciousness! Tap on shoulder & ask “Are you okay?”.
If s/he says yes. Ask -“do you need help?”
If no, but you think he’s sleeping or something of that nature, squeeze his shoulder or rub his chest bone hard.
If still no response, call 911 or Hatzolah.
In this case or similar cases’, have s/o else call 911 or Hatzolah.
Push hard and fast in the center of the chest that is 100 to 120 beats per minute!
Continue until s/o trained takes over!
From the American Heart Association (AHA):
“If you see a teen or adult suddenly collapse, call 911 and push hard and fast in the center of the chest to the beat of any tune that is 100 to 120 beats per minute, such as the classic disco song “Stayin’ Alive”. Immediate CPR can double or even triple a person’s chances of survival.”December 18, 2016 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1205043
Health: There is a video online where a dog collapses and the doggie parent does the pushing on the chest. Mamash several minutes later he gets up. So amazing.December 18, 2016 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #1205044
The song reference is great too!
Thanks for the info!December 19, 2016 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1205046
“Not only did not one poster get it right, but the magazine in Yiddish was giving e/o false information.”
What was the wrong information they were giving?
(I don’t get the magazine and I don’t understand Yiddish)December 19, 2016 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #1205047
Meno -“What was the wrong information they were giving?”
I wrote false information! I don’t get the mag either. But YWN had the video of the incident. They just wrote call Hatzolah. Giving the impression that’s good enough!
I wrote a detailed post what a person should do in that situation – right above!December 19, 2016 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1205048
I think they are right – you should call hatzalah right away – why waste time, especially if you are completely untrained in dealing with emergencies?
Also, if you give too many instructions, people get confused when confronted with an emergency – the most important message you want to give over is to call hatzalah. Possibly, the reason people don’t help is because they don’t know what to do or they are in a rush. If they know to just call hatzalah (if they can’t do anything else), it would be very helpful, and more people would be likely to do something.December 19, 2016 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #1205049Little FroggieParticipant
What would I do? I would call for help.
I actually did. It was a freezing cold afternoon, and I found a guy sprawled out on the sidewalk. I hurriedly called 911. The operator ask me a few questions and then asked me to feel him… I nearly passed out. There was no way I was gonna touch a drunk man. I yelled for her to just send help. She got the message.December 19, 2016 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #1205050
“I wrote false information!”
not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
“the test can produce false results”
synonyms: incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise;
You gotta learn to chill outDecember 20, 2016 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1205051
LU -“I think they are right – you should call hatzalah right away – why waste time, especially if you are completely untrained in dealing with emergencies?”
Unfortunately your post is dead wrong!
My above post was for e/o, especially for laymen ie. those completely untrained in dealing with emergencies!
If every Goy is expected to do what I posted above, & you’re making excuses for Yidden?!?December 20, 2016 5:56 am at 5:56 am #1205052
Meno -“”I wrote false information!”
not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
“the test can produce false results”
synonyms: incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious,”
Those are all the synonyms. But “wrong” is not correct!
I was going with these synonyms -“flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise;”
“You gotta learn to chill out”
Who said I’m not? I just was being accurate, so people shouldn’t get the wrong impression!December 20, 2016 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #1205053
“My above post was for e/o, especially for laymen ie. those completely untrained in dealing with emergencies!”
It’s very easy to give instructions for one specific situation, but the reality is that there are a thousand different emergencies one could encounter, and it’s unreasonable for a person to be trained to deal with every single one, and it is unreasonable to expect an untrained person to be able to act properly under that kind of stress.
And if you’ll say that a person collapsing on the floor is more common, so everyone should be prepared – I’ve been alive for quite a few years, and I have never seen it happen, so it can’t be that common.
“Who said I’m not?”
Well to start, all the exclamation pointsDecember 20, 2016 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1205054
Meno-“It’s very easy to give instructions for one specific situation, but the reality is that there are a thousand different emergencies one could encounter, and it’s unreasonable for a person to be trained to deal with every single one, and it is unreasonable to expect an untrained person to be able to act properly under that kind of stress.”
Of course there are! So e/o should learn CPR & first aid.
“And if you’ll say that a person collapsing on the floor is more common, so everyone should be prepared – I’ve been alive for quite a few years, and I have never seen it happen, so it can’t be that common.”
I wasn’t talking about more common, but about life threatening!
“Well to start, all the exclamation points”
I always use exclamation points, it doesn’t mean anything!December 20, 2016 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1205055
Meno +1December 20, 2016 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1205056
“Of course there are! So e/o should learn CPR & first aid.”
That may be true, but our discussion was about what someone should do who hasn’t learned CPR and First Aid.
They should call for help right away.December 20, 2016 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #1205057
“Of course there are! So e/o should learn CPR & first aid.”
“I wasn’t talking about more common, but about life threatening!”
So by that logic, everyone should learn how to fly an airplane, in case the pilot drops dead mid-flight.December 20, 2016 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1205058Avi KParticipant
It is fairly obvious if the person is drunk/homeless. Do not do anything yourself unless you are a qualified to give medical aid. You can make matters worse. Even if you are not actually at fault you could set yourself up for a major lawsuit. Call the local emergency number (in the US 911, in Israel 100).December 20, 2016 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1205059
Just to clarify, I have nothing against people learning CPR and First Aid. I just think it’s counterproductive to insist that everyone learn too much. You end up with people thinking they know what they’re doing when they really don’t.December 20, 2016 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1205061
Maybe at least by thinking they can help, they move to action to get this person help.
Could hurt. Could also be better than sitting at the sidelines. They can give vital info for first responders when they arrive. B”HDecember 20, 2016 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #1205062WinnieThePoohParticipant
Unlike in the US where every emergency is consolidated thru 911, there are 3 separate numbers for police (100), fire (102) and ambulance MDA (101) in Israel. For a medical emergency, you want to call an ambulance, MDA or for a quicker first responder, Ichud Hatzala (1221). A good hint to remember the MDA number- raise your hands next to your head for help. each arm is like a 1 and the head in the middle is the 0.December 20, 2016 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1205063🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
Health- requesting additional assistance- even as EMT- is part of scene size up. It is prior to checking level of consciousness. Below are the steps of scene size up:
Take body substance isolation precautions
Determine if the scene is safe
Determine the mechanism of injury/nature of illness
Determine the number of patients
Request additional help if necessary
Consider stabilization of spineDecember 20, 2016 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #1205064
LU -“They should call for help right away”
Wrong! They should
Check to see if the scene is safe.
Etc…December 20, 2016 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1205065
Meno -“So by that logic, everyone should learn how to fly an airplane, in case the pilot drops dead mid-flight”
Our case is s/o is on the ground!December 20, 2016 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1205066
WTP: Do all the people answering the phone on emergency calls understand English?
In my Israeli experiences, I panic and call out for help in English. Hebrew takes too long to formulate in distress.
Btw thanks for the visual for an ambulance.
I wonder what happens when people need all three? Who do you call then?December 20, 2016 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1205067
Health has a good point about checking for safety before calling for help right away.
Cv”s there is gang violence at the scene. Someone walking into that scenario best run for cover and maybe leave the area to protect him or herself before calling for help.December 21, 2016 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1205068
Gamanit -“Health- requesting additional assistance- even as EMT- is part of scene size up. It is prior to checking level of consciousness. Below are the steps of scene size up:
Request additional help if necessary”
Well, did you pass your EMT course? How many times did you end up taking it, till you passed?
Why don’t you read your own post before you write it?!?
You wrote “if necessary”!
Think before you respond to me.
And if you want me to explain it, I would have to charge you.December 21, 2016 12:39 am at 12:39 am #1205069
A person who is not trained to help in any way can’t do anything except call for help.
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