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    rebdoniel
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    Among our less-observant brethren, there is a long-standing custom to eat Chinese food and go to the movies on Kretchmas.

    Personally, I am looking forward to going to the Hakhel Yarchei Kallah, after which I will be eating Chinese food (probably at ShangChai) and catching the opening of Les Miserables.

    What are others doing?

    #916761
    mewho
    Participant

    i do shopping so that i have less running around to do on thusday eve

    #916762
    147
    Participant

    What Yidden do on December 25th?

    Last year and in 2016 & in 2019 I observe Chanukah, and recite full Hallel in praise of the wonderful day, as I do on Yom ha’Atzmaut & on Yom Yerusholayim.

    In 2001 & in 2020 I observe Assoro b’Teves, and mourn the Johrzeit of Charly Chaplin who was Niftar on December 25, 1977.

    #916763
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    147,

    So you say whole hallel in honor of “the day” on December 25th? Like you do ion Yom Hatzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim? I can see the congruence.

    Do you trim a bush for all three as well?

    #916764
    rebdoniel
    Member

    Nisht,

    Don’t start attacking Religious Zionists. This forum cannot and will not become a forum to attack people who think differently from you.

    #916765
    WIY
    Member

    “reb”doniel

    You shouldn’t advertise on Yeshivaworld that you watch movies especially the likes of les miserables which is quite filthy.

    I hope the people who come to you for “psak” are aware of your shmiras eynayim standards of which you will find zero heter for.

    #916766
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    I drove my kids to school, and my wife to work.

    Then I washed dishes, put away laundry, and did some other cleaning, so that my wife could relax when she got home.

    Then I picked the kids up from school and spent time with them until they went to bed.

    #916767
    tzaddiq
    Member

    went skiing and spent quality time with my kids. Other than that, I had a regular schedule of Daf Yomi (morning) and Night Seder (evening). Of course I enjoyed driving through the empty streets around the neighbourhood. I must say, that everyone is so cheery and in a happy mood, that when I went shopping at the super market, everyone (the Goyim) was either humming a tune, singing, and wishing each other well. It’s a very positive, happy and enjoyable atmosphere wherever I go (especially in contrast to the 2nd and 3rd week of January) and it makes my outing that much more pleasant.

    Is this wrong??

    #916768
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    DaMoshe – that’s the most heart warming thing I’ve read all day!

    #916769
    PBT
    Member

    I spent the day learning, working on some personal finances, and went out to a Chinese buffet at Denver’s East Side Kosher Deli. I thought the blat scheduled for December 25, which discusses the tumah of Avodah Zorah, was particularly poignant for that day. Talked to my son in Yeshiva, where he was making phone calls for his Yeshiva’s raffle campaign.

    #916770
    rebdoniel
    Member

    Les Miserables is a fantastic novel and a classic story. And my love of French literature has little bearing on my ability to learn halakhic texts and render psak.

    #916771
    R.T.
    Participant

    Davening, learning, laundry, dishes, swept the floor, organized odds and ends, vacuuming the carpets, answered Shailas.

    #916772
    mewho
    Participant

    we visited my shviger and food shopped for her . this way she doesnt have to go out in the cold or snow

    #916773
    apushatayid
    Participant

    I was at work from 9-5.

    #916774
    WIY
    Member

    rebdoniel

    “my love of French literature has little bearing on my ability to learn halakhic texts and render psak.”

    No but your utter lack of Yiras shomayim does!

    #916775
    musser zoger
    Participant

    same here APY.

    #916776
    musser zoger
    Participant

    Reb Doniel, I’m sure it relaxes you so you can render psak better.

    #916777
    rebdoniel
    Member

    Les Mis has nothing to do with yiras shamayim.

    Being deficient in bein adam le chaveiro has a who lot to do with a lack of yiras shamayim, though.

    #916778
    nfgo3
    Member

    To rebdoniel: Your fluency in French, in addition to your fluency in English, Hebrew and Aramaic, probably enhances your ability to understand Halachah.

    #916779
    R.T.
    Participant

    “…utter lack of Yiras shomayim does”

    I’m sorry, but I think that statement is uncalled for.

    #916780
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I think it is called for.

    Also his am haaratzus.

    #916781
    rebdoniel
    Member

    Thank you, RT.

    Those who disagree with the status quo are often attacked here, especially by the likes of Popa, who at least has the honesty and self-awareness to call himself “incorrigible.”

    And Popa, having an opinion other than yours does not constitute am haratzus. Rabbi Norman Lamm called people like you “cavemen.” Ad hominem attacks on either side serve no toeles, and I am against personal attacks. Remember: Eleanor Roosevelt said that small minds discuss people, but great minds discuss ideas. I would hope to be able to take this to heart and keep my postings and real-life conversations focused more on ideas than petty gossip and lashon hara, which is not manly, nor constructive.

    And regarding French. Knowing French helps when it comes to coming across “laz” comments that Rashi and Tosafot make in many different places. In the same spirit, I would like to learn Ladino, since many Ladino references are in the Shulchan Aruch (even knowing gastronomy helps learning halakha, like when the ShA talks about pashtida, a dish still made in the Near East and Maghreb), and Meam Loez is a Ladino work. Likewise, knowing Yiddish would be helpful in decoding Chassidus, and knowing Arabic would help me with some works of Rishonim. And German would help with Rav Hirsch and also academic texts.

    #916782
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “my love of French literature has little bearing on my ability to learn halakhic texts and render psak.”

    I bet it helps with all those “LAZ” words Rashi keeps mentioning.

    #916783
    shmendrick
    Member

    On the issue of Secular Studies (which are not tomeh) Rav Avraham Yitzchok Bloch in response to Rav Shwab’s question about

    this issue:

    “This that you asked me to clarify the halacha concering secular studies and the nature of the curriculum of the German schools. However it is extremely difficult in these matters to provide a clear halachic response. Because these matters are largely built upon hashkofa and principles which are derived from aggada….are so strongly influenced in the specific nature of the people involved as well as the particular circumstances they are living in and other sociological and psychological issues…”

    The Minchas Elozor z’l in his sefer Divrei Torah is also meikel

    on the subject of secular studies for German Jews.

    This is not a “blanket” heter for everyone to just go waste their precious time on secular studies!

    Those who study Torah have been rebuked for even spending too much time davening (see chazal: manichim chayay olom v’oskim b’chaya shaah – how can they give up time from their eternal life (Torah study) on matters that are temporary (davening for gashmiyus)).

    But those who would spend time speaking loshon horah or c”v other avoros MIGHT be allowed to waste their time on “parave” secular studies. Although, the secular studies cause a timtum a’lev v’hamoach, as is evident from many comments from members that contradict da’as v’hashkofas Torah.

    #916785
    rebdoniel
    Member

    I don’t need or ant any advice from a self-dubbed shmendrick. I don’t subscribe to Lakewood hashkafot; don’t proselytize.

    #916786
    shmendrick
    Member

    Not proselytizing – being mochiach as commanded in Hochayach Tochiach for those encouraging bittul torah, and being marbitz the great or hatorah of da’as torah to dispel the darkness of Hellenistic views propagated by the Enlightenment Movement, the Maskilim who later became the reform.

    #916787
    mi pueblo
    Member

    Poor hocheiach tochiech. Its a good thing the lav of lo sisa doesn’t apply to it.

    #916788
    Naysberg
    Member

    On Dec. 25, Yidden mourn the rivers of Jewish blood spilled in the name of a false god. We mourn the suffering we had on this accursed date throughout 2,000 years. We remember the galochim inciting the masses at mass to kill Jews. The Jews who they accuse of deicide. And we are repulsed by the bloody holiday lights prevelent in our midst celebrating this bloody history.

    #916790
    147
    Participant

    We study Avodo Zoro Daf 8a, which discusses the winter solstice of the Northern Hemisphere in conjunction with Adam hoRishon, and all the various light festivals which have ensued in honor of the days commencing to get longer again.

    If you are behind in this Gemoro, needless to say, you finish it off at Times Square whilst waiting for the ball to drop. Learning Gemoro is a sure way to keep you warm, because of becoming so involved in the study of Gemoro.

    We lucky people get to finish off this Daf in the warmth of Sydney Harbor as we await the fireworks, some 16 hours before the ball shall be descending in Times Square.

    #916791
    rebdoniel
    Member

    Naysberg,

    Tisha b’Av is the proper day to mourn antisemitism.

    I don’t find the lights to be “bloody.” I think it’s admirable that in this day and age, people have a conviction in something.

    #916792
    shmendrick
    Member

    Some of us commemorate nitel and others commemorate Yom Ha’Atzomos. To each his own!

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