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    Lightbrite
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    Why does it matter to Trump if he is popular with Americans now?

    What’s the point of having a pep rally when he’s already been elected?

    How does that change anything? Is he focused on winning in four years now?

    Does this do anything for the country besides make him feel better about himself and/or convince people that he is right?

    Honest questions… I want to understand why it’s good for our country to have him and the secret service disrupting the east coast so he can talk to crowds all in the fashion of a former dictator?

    Thank you

    #1218459

    catch yourself
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    The job of the President is to distract everyone’s attention from the person who really runs the country.

    President Trump does this better than any of his predecessors.

    #1218460

    ubiquitin
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    “Why does it matter to Trump if he is popular with Americans now?”

    that is the only thing that matters to him. What drives him in life is “winning” and being on top. This is why he brings up his Greatest Electoral college victory” (IT wasn’t the greatest but fcts dont matter to him). It drives him bananas that he lost the popular vote

    “What’s the point of having a pep rally when he’s already been elected?”

    Se above. Money doesnt drive him, it is just a way to keep score (as he wrote in one of his books). she once asked him if he would want to be appointed PResident, he replied that running/campaigning was the main point

    “How does that change anything?”

    See above

    “Is he focused on winning in four years now?”

    Not necessarily

    “Does this do anything for the country besides make him feel better about himself and/or convince people that he is right?”

    It only does the former, nobody will become convinced that he is right

    #1218461

    Lightbrite
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    Who really runs the country?

    #1218462

    Joseph
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    I do.

    #1218463

    yungermanS
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    he is not even fully setup with his new government since becoming president. Wait until everything is up & running & then see how he is doing but currently he is under alot of pressure based on many things, first for just starting & seeing how he will do, second for surprises like flynn that he was not prepared for & many other things that are preventing him from doing his job in full control & running.

    lets wait till he is up & running with all new positions in place & then see how he is doing.

    NJ Governor just agreed to join his government with a job

    #1218464

    Lightbrite
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    Is he Hashem’s robot?

    #1218465

    huju
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    edited

    To yungermans: I agree with you that we should wait awhile until Trump and his administration (or any new administration) settle in and get organized. But Trump has already declared that his administration is running like a fine-tuned machine, and so we should hold him to that standard.

    #1218466

    yehudayona
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    Sam Klein, if you believe Chris Christie’s spokesman, he’s not taking a job in the Trump administration, not even chief meatloaf taster. “There is absolutely no truth to the story,” Christie spokesman Brian Murray said Sunday. “In fact, the governor said at a press conference this past week and on his monthly radio program that he plans to finish his term as governor, and he dismissed the type of speculation being reported by the New York Post.”

    #1218467

    👑RebYidd23
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    Huju, that borders on apikorsus.

    #1218468

    Lightbrite
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    huju: So at this point maybe you can guess the answer.

    Why would I say that? Well it’s actually a quote from a rabbi’s shiur on Torah Anytime.

    Please. Let me explain. It was a trail to get there. I think that the rabbi was talking about histadlus.

    For example. If someone needs parnassa, is it okay to work part-time if he is currently full-time learning? Well it depends on the person and the person’s bitachon.

    It also depends on the person’s gifts. If Hashem gives you a gift, then you need to use it in this world. So if someone has the gift of teaching, is he using that gift? Or can he apply it in a different way?

    But sometimes we are not in control. I think it was the same shiur. I don’t know what happened then. I was making a right turn onto the next road. He said that anyone can be a president. Criminals anyone can become a president today. Some giggling in the background. And he said that we vote but once the person is elected then that’s it. Then it’s out of our hands.

    That person is now “Hashem’s robot.”

    As for a Jew. If a Jew is the King then he may have more responsibility over his actions. However here this person is now Hashem’s robot and we don’t know why things happen but it is all Hashem’s design.

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    Actually I think that this is something from a rabbi’s shiur that the CR will agree with here.

    #1218470

    Little Froggie
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    I second it. Maybe mods should change it.

    And to add my own one and a half sense..

    If ?? ????? ??? ?, by a regular ruler, monarch, who’s surrounded with advisers and ministers each with their own agendas, and biases. How much more by this one, who acts so unpredictably, so (shall we say) “unconventional”. So given to the whims of the minute… And NO ONE can attempt to steer him towards the main road… Anyone can ascertain the workings of Yad HaShem… How this (OK, he’s our president, we are bidden to show respect) man came to be the most powerful person on the universe… Obviously it’s all from HaShem.. all His plans..

    #1218471

    I removed the lines but would like to say in hujus defense that what I think meant, and why I approved it originally (he can correct me if I’m wrong) is that those behaviors are far from Godlike and it seems inappropriate to refer to someone acting in that manner as doing so under Hashem’s control.

    #1218473

    Little Froggie
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    Thanks.

    And yes, it does makes sense.

    #1218474

    huju
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    Re YW Moderator 29: I thank you for coming to my defense, even if you deleted part of my comment.

    I do not exactly recall the deleted portion of my comment, but I think someone speculated that Trump was doing Hashem’s will, which I consider a preposterous interpretation of Trump’s most obnoxious behavior. I find Trump extremely vulgar, and I am mystified by his popularity among the frum.

    #1218475

    yehudayona
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    To reinterpret the topic slightly, we’d be much better off without people like the president. Baalei gaava are harmful to society.

    #1218477

    Joseph
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    huju: His popularity among the frum is a direct result of the alternative having been Clinton. If the alternative would have been, say, Rubio or Cruz, he wouldn’t be nearly as popular. (And wasn’t during the primaries.)

    His “popularity” now as president is also a result of his enemies being worse than he is.

    #1218478

    ubiquitin
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    Joseph

    “His popularity among the frum is a direct result of the alternative having been Clinton.”

    I thought so but I am no longer so sure. Hillary is gone oiver batel she is no longer running and is unlikely to run again.

    So why are so many still fully enamored by Trump. Im not saying they have to villify everything he does. But I see many almost worshiping him.

    Look at the recent incident with the reporter. By any objective measure Trump was wrong. He misunderstood the question and cut the reporter off before he can finish. (Of course the question could have been phrased better but any English speaker could have deciphered the question)

    Yet look at the comments: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/ywn-videos/526481/watch-this-trump-slams-frum-reporter-turx-in-press-conference-calls-his-question-insulting.html so many people criticize the questioner!

    ” result of his enemies being worse than he is.” Who are his emnemies? The Truth?

    #1218479

    Joseph
    Participant

    The Democrats. And the media. They are waiting to latch unto something to try to impeach him. Desperately. They will certainly find some pretext to demand impeachment. Until then they will continue vilifying him every day if not every hour. He can do no right by them.

    The President is very far from being a tzadik. But his alternatives are worse.

    #1218480

    yytz
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    LB: To answer your question, Presidents like to have high approval ratings because it helps them to advance their agenda. If Congress knows the public is behind the President they may be more likely to pass the President’s preferred legislation, for example. In addition, if the President’s ratings are high, this could prevent his party from losing seats in Congress (or losing control of one or both houses), which often happens at midterm elections, or from losing races at the state level.

    As for the specific strategy of having rallies, I don’t know if they’re a good way to increase or maintain public support. But I think the optics of it all may help, since if the public sees him in front of adoring crowds perhaps they will jump on the perceived bandwagon and decide they like him too, despite what they hear from the media.

    I actually am not a DT supporter. I’m just trying to answer the question. 🙂

    #1218482

    Lightbrite
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    Thanks for the explanation yytz 🙂

    #1218483

    Avi K
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    Lightbrite, the problem is that many people have various talents. IMHO, this is another beracha of increased life expectancy and good health at older ages. people can divide their lives and do different things in the same gilgul. For example, I have a friend whose HS Chemistry teacher had been a cop for twenty years, retired and went back to school. I do not know if he did it but he said that he planned to teach for twenty years, get another pension and do something else.

    Huju, Rav Kook said (regarding secular Zionists) that the fact that someone is Hashem’s tool does not depend on his knowledge that he is a tool or even his personal merits. I think one would have to be spiritually blind not to see Hashem’s hand in Trump’s election after being down ten points in the polls a week before. Already Trump has not only reversed Obama’s anti-Israel policy but abandoned the mystical belief in the two-state solution. Let’s wait and see.

    #1218484

    FuturePOTUS
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    The reason why Hashem’s name isn’t mentioned in Megillas Esther is to show us that if one looks at without looking, he wouldn’t see that the entire thing was done through Hashem, it would appear to have happened by teva, through a string of natural occurrences. I think I heard a Chazal somewhere that said the events leading up to Mashiach will take place through a string of ‘natural occurrences’ that unless one looks into it, will appear entirely through teva and lacking the visible hand of God. Trump is exactly that.

    #1218485

    Lightbrite
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    I wonder if Hashem also hardened Trump’s heart like He did to Pharoah, so Trump ends up saying and doing things that one with a warmer heart and stronger closeness to Hashem would not be able to say or do.

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