November 11, 2011 12:56 am at 12:56 am #600462
Being Addicted to the internet or Smoking…?November 11, 2011 2:03 am at 2:03 am #1045245
Smoking. You can find Kol Hatorah Kula on the internet.November 11, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #1045246
well Smoking kills..No??November 11, 2011 2:36 am at 2:36 am #1045247am yisrael chaiParticipant
didn’t know that learning Kol Hatorah Kula on the internet is considered internet addiction.
Live and learn.November 11, 2011 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1045248OneOfManyParticipant
Staring at computers all day kills your attention span (among other things).November 11, 2011 2:45 am at 2:45 am #1045249liebMember
the internet is much worse and u can find kol hatorah kula off the internet alsoNovember 11, 2011 2:52 am at 2:52 am #1045250supergirl613Member
smoking is much worse!!!! there’s not even a comparison! well there is but smoking is much worse!November 11, 2011 2:54 am at 2:54 am #1045251
What’s better, an apple or an orange?November 11, 2011 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1045252
If the posters vote unanimously that internet addiction is worse will you quit internetting and take up smoking?
If yes, which brand do you have in mind, something like Virginia Slims or are you more the Marlboro Reds type? Dunhill? Cigars? Pipes?
Would morah be ok with it?
Just wondering.November 11, 2011 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1045253real-briskerMember
What your asking is; whats worse – Someone thats sick physicaly, or someone that is sick spiritualy?November 11, 2011 3:21 am at 3:21 am #1045254deiyezoogerMember
An addiction is when you know that what you’r doing is not good for you but you can’t help it. (Aldough an addict will likely not admit he has a problem).November 11, 2011 4:14 am at 4:14 am #1045255
I am clearly addicted to the internet. I spend around 6 hours a day on YUTorah listening to Rav Schachter and most of the rest of it surfing Bar Ilan and using e-daf.November 11, 2011 5:00 am at 5:00 am #1045256
Cuz Im really sared..My father smokes…November 11, 2011 5:15 am at 5:15 am #1045257
Try and make him stop. You could be saving his life and quite possibly the lives of your entire family.November 11, 2011 5:29 am at 5:29 am #1045258
gumball you shouldn’t have shared that information, cause now you must be…Jk,LOL:)
just BTW:- next time say someone I know/someone I care about smokes.November 11, 2011 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #1045259deiyezoogerMember
I knew someone who was a heavy smoker. At age 60 he got a sudden hearth atack and r”l died a few days later. Comming back from the funerel the first thing his wife did was trowing out his cigarates saying: “If I did this 30 years ago…”November 11, 2011 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #1045260
So 4 yrs ago he stopped smoking totaly cuz he read a Allan Carr book and he stopped..Now that bussiness is so Stressfull for him he smokes…Im so scared and I cant tell him 2 stop!!November 12, 2011 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1045261ToiParticipant
carrs book doesnt work. i read it and kept smoking. i quit on my own with no trouble. the whole things a shtuss. to answer op- internet.November 13, 2011 1:20 am at 1:20 am #1045262bein_hasdorimParticipant
It’s basically a Ruchnius danger vs. a Gashmius one.
There are positive things that can be done online.
and someone can actually learn Torah all day online.
There is however no upside to Smoking.
The only Shaychus smoking has to Torah is the Issur D’oraysoh
one is oiver when smoking.November 13, 2011 1:35 am at 1:35 am #1045263TheGoqParticipant
My Father A”H smoked for forty years quit twenty years before he died of lung cancer.November 13, 2011 1:38 am at 1:38 am #1045264
Well for my father Carrs book worked…HELP!! Im really scared!!November 13, 2011 1:57 am at 1:57 am #1045265bein_hasdorimParticipant
GumBall; if you shed a few tears to your father and sincerely tried
pleading with ur father, Im sure you’d win him over.
If not try the puppy face, with a PUH-LEEZE!!!!!November 13, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #1045266
Whats the puppy face??November 13, 2011 3:20 am at 3:20 am #1045267yitayningwutParticipant
So it didn’t work for you. Doesn’t mean it won’t work for anyone else. It certainly doesn’t prove that the whole thing is a shtus.November 13, 2011 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1045268
Toi- “carrs book doesnt work.”
One guy said the book was so boring, he needed to smoke a whole pack while reading it.
GumBall-“Now that bussiness is so Stressfull for him he smokes.”
He wants to quit,(since he did quit once)The root of the problem is stress, so suggest regular exercise like a 30 minute a day run on the treadmill and some pushups. Exercise reduces stress and can make a person be more productive throughout the day. Then he won’t need the cig as much and will be able to quit. Good luck.
p.s. sorry for making light of your thread in my previous posts, I thought it was a theoretical question.November 13, 2011 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1045269
But I cant just tell my father
Tatty instead of smoking u cud go on the treadmill..Its not nice and he like really needs it!! IM SO SCARED ITS SO DANGEROUS!!November 13, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #1045270supergirl613Member
Gumball, I’m so sorry to hear about your situation. The puppy face look is when you stick out your lower lip and you have really sad eyes like you are about to cry like puppy dog eyes.November 14, 2011 12:39 am at 12:39 am #1045271aries2756Participant
Smoking is dangerous choice, however the people around the smoker do not get to choose whether or not they wish to be exposed to second hand smoke or not. The internet is a dangerous choice for the soul of the person who chooses to use it for dangerous and immoral purposes, but it others around him can choose whether or not they wish to join or decline.November 14, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1045272
Really Someone help Im so scared!!November 14, 2011 2:32 am at 2:32 am #1045273
google some articles on the benefits of exercise, choose the best one, and leave it by his teffilin with a note that says, Totty I love you very much, and I want you around for a very long time, please take on exercise instead of smoking, Love your bubbeluh.November 14, 2011 2:41 am at 2:41 am #1045274am yisrael chaiParticipant
We need both physical health and spiritual health.
Note the comparisons between Purim and Chanuka.
Mental health is good to have as well 🙂November 14, 2011 3:28 am at 3:28 am #1045275
Omg!! That is SO nice! I should really do that I was crying to my mother last night about it! Heloo its so scary! My fathjer is SOOOO stressed!! OMG!November 14, 2011 3:55 am at 3:55 am #1045276msseekerMember
Ask him to go brisk-walking with you every evening. And give him loads of nachas so he’ll have less stress. Cut your expenses and think of ways to help save $$$.November 14, 2011 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1045277
Smoking. Internet can be used for bad, but it can also be used for good. There is zero good about smoking and everything bad about it.November 14, 2011 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1045278
There are short term benefits- it relieves stress.November 14, 2011 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1045279JotharMember
ALL addictions are bad. Countless marriages have been broken up thanks to internet addiction.November 14, 2011 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1045280
Hi BSD. lol Heroin relieves stress, too. And if drinking gasoline relieved stress and the oil companies bribed their way into marketing an ingestible product, would that make it contain a “benefit”?
Medically speaking, there are about 70 poisons that are ingested when tobacco is burned. Additionally, it is now known cigarettes contain radiation from radon that develops in the soil specifically of tobacco plants. This fact is known to the cig companies. Removing the radon would require a chemical which removes the nicotine. So they have decided against removing the radon.
In light of that information, I vote there are no benefits. Yours sounds like the rationalization of one addicted. lol. Well, I hope you quit soon, seriously. And if I could give you a vitamin, where in one swallow you would be cured of that addiction, would you take it? Even though you say cigs relieves stress?
Hi Jothar: Wrongo! There are shades of gray with addictions and ALL are not equal. The thread was asking which is worse, which requires evaluation of the differences, and not a blunt overgeneralization. And I am not even comparing cigs to internet. I am addressing the specific addition. Both are bad. And you are right about internet and marriage. Terrible! But that does not lead to countless tragic and fatal diseases. SO, when you compare the problems of internet to cigs. Hands down its cigs.
There is a way to go online and learn something new and have a positive experience. There is no way to smoke even one puff of a cig without it causing immediate damage throughout the body, of which can also be passed on, c”vs, to future generations via genes. Yep, that is right!November 14, 2011 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1045281
I left my father a note..Dont know what happened yet…My father “only” smokes once a day so haopefully Wtvr he’ll stop…November 15, 2011 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1045282
Hi Gumball. I hope your father stops smoking. Also, I hope you are not around the smoking because the smoke from the other end of the cigarette poses a threat (second-hand smoking) to those who are around the smoke.November 15, 2011 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1045283
BTGuy-“Hi BSD. lol Heroin relieves stress, too.”
GumBall- Good luck- you’re doing the right thing.November 15, 2011 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1045284
Just found out he smokes 4 a day…Is that a lot?November 15, 2011 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1045285SaysMeMember
gumball, ur right that you cannot neccesarily stop him. He wants to stop, but right now the stress is getting to him. Talk to him, daven, but don’t worry about the details. It doesn’t really matter if he smokes 1 or 4 or 10 a day. The danger is real, yet it’s all in Hashem’s hands. Many bad smokers have lived long, healthy lives too. You just daven, and continue showing you care and it scares you, but don’t let this bog you down.November 15, 2011 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1045286
Thank You so much You just gave me so much Chizuk I Daven everyday!!
So I”yh he will stop . The problem is that a store ordered 25,00 goods and when it was in the process of being shipped they canceled and my father was stuck with all these 25,000 goods B”h hes almost done selling all of them but It took a week and it was stressful for him…B”h hashem rules the world…Iyh everything will be good but is 4 cigars a day dangerous?November 16, 2011 2:55 am at 2:55 am #1045287
SaysMe-“Many bad smokers have lived long, healthy lives too.”
As George Burns said at his 100th birthday-My Dr told me smoking is dangerous. He’s dead, and I’m still smoking!November 16, 2011 2:57 am at 2:57 am #1045288
is 4 cigars a day dangerous?
I assume you mean cigarettes. It’s not considered a lot, but is still unhealthy.:(November 16, 2011 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1045289
Ok..Thanx!! If 4 isnt a lot how much is a lot..?? OW!!!November 16, 2011 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1045290iBumpMember
Gumball: how did your father react to the note you left him 2 days ago?
🙂 Bump 🙂November 17, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1045291
Dunnooo…I feel wierd asking him…November 18, 2011 2:02 am at 2:02 am #1045292SaysMeMember
And he might feel weird being asked. So don’t! 😀November 18, 2011 2:15 am at 2:15 am #1045293Doodle-Man™Member
whatever we tell you is better are you going to do that?
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