February 16, 2016 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #617240
When the ani you’re trying to give it to doesn’t want to accept itFebruary 16, 2016 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1213033
Is a penny worth two cents if you offer a penny to a pauper and he declines it?February 16, 2016 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1213034
Is it common for aniyim to accept pennies?February 16, 2016 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #1213035
when youre not americanFebruary 16, 2016 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1213036
I don’t get it.February 16, 2016 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #1213037
in most third world countriesFebruary 16, 2016 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #1213038
If one tries to do a mitzvah and he isn’t able to Hashem considers it like he did itFebruary 16, 2016 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #1213039
If chicken quarters were on sale for 50 cents each, each quarter would be worth 50 cents.
Though this would never really happen…February 16, 2016 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1213040
So it’s like you get 25 cents credit in the mitzvah department, but you still have 25 cents to spend?February 16, 2016 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1213041
When it’s a quarter of a $2 bill (otherwise known as half a dollar).February 16, 2016 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1213042
Depending on currency conversation A quarter of a US Dollar could be worth 50 Canadian CentsFebruary 16, 2016 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #1213043
Right! The thing is if you give that quarter to a different tzedakah that quarter was two mitzvahs of tzedakah each worth 25 centsFebruary 16, 2016 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1213044
It wouldn’t be worth 50 cents because anything less than a half a bill is worthlessFebruary 16, 2016 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1213045
If I give 25 cents to tzedakah, the mitzvah is only worth 25 cents? So there’s no actual reward for giving tzedakah?February 16, 2016 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1213046
Don’t be a nudnikFebruary 17, 2016 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1213047
When you buy a sharpener with it.
Then you can sharpen pencils for a living.February 17, 2016 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1213048
Mitzvahs are priceless.February 17, 2016 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1213049
I’m not saying the mitzvah is worth a quarter, I’m saying that it is a mitzvah in which you gave 25 cents
Giving a dollar four times is better than giving a quarter four times if you can afford to give four dollars
Why does everyone like to twist my words around (I don’t know about other people because I don’t pay attention to what people do to other people hereFebruary 17, 2016 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #1213050
I didn’t mean to twist your words. I apologize. I just wanted to keep this thread at the top of the page because it’s so clever.February 18, 2016 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1213051
Ever heard of the word bump?February 18, 2016 2:53 am at 2:53 am #1213052
When someone gives matching funds…either for charity or your 401kFebruary 18, 2016 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1213053
I always figured that ‘Bump’ was for threads that haven’t gotten any comments for a few days or longer and had completely fallen off of the ‘Latest Discussions’ board.January 26, 2017 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1213054
Hey, Coffee Addict: Bump! This actually happened to me this very evening!
Someone came collecting tonight and we had a large bill and a few coins set aside. (I feel bad asking someone for change when giving tzedaka – like I come out with a 10 dollar bill and get their hopes up, but then I ask for 8 or 9 dollars back and they’re disappointed.) If I would have had a one dollar bill then I would have given him that. Next best thing was to offer him a quarter. I sent Little Prince Plony to the door to be the shaliach shel mitzvah, but the man who was collecting just walked away without it.
Sighhh… I feel terrible. Do you guys think I should have asked him for change from the bill?January 26, 2017 5:44 am at 5:44 am #1213055
Mrs. Plony – my reaction would have been, “I guess he doesn’t need the money as badly as I do. I would have been happy to get a quarter.”January 26, 2017 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #1213056
Agree with LuL.
That being said, many don’t understand the Gemorah
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If they did, they would understand that the quarter after 4 times becomes a dollar, and then ten, etc.
Unfortunately, what many Aniyim need is financial literacy/budgeting skills, not financial support. Boruch Hashem there are organizations that are realizing this and conditioning help on attending sessions to teach self-support.
P.S. Lack of financial literacy affects everyone, from people who have nothing coming in to others who have millions coming in.January 26, 2017 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1213057
Thank you for the moral support, Lul. I suppose the man last night figured that if all we could give was 25 cents, then we needed it more than him. But it was money that had been set aside specifically for charity, so I can’t use it in good conscience myself.
For the record I broke the big bill today, so now we have ones to distribute.January 26, 2017 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #1213058
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Mrs. Plony – my reaction would have been, “I guess he doesn’t need the money as badly as I do. I would have been happy to get a quarter.”
I suppose the man last night figured that if all we could give was 25 cents, then we needed it more than him.
Nah. He was making the point that giving a quarter is not really helpful when someone needs $40,000 for medical or chasunah expenses.
Rudely, but that’s his point.
He’s still wrong for turning it down and not taking it and saying “thank you”, but that’s where the frustration comes from, I imagine.January 26, 2017 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1213059
MRS PLONY: I would have probably done the same thing, of not bringing him a bigger bill asking to make change.
Have you tried giving someone a bracha?
He comes to the door. You can apologize for not having a dollar bill, ask if he wants a quarter (up to him to say yes or no), and give him a bracha.
(Maybe offer something to eat, like a muffin or cookie, or bottle of water… if you can, and if not move on to the bracha).
And give him a bracha. A good bracha. Ask the man what he needs. And Ask Hashem to give to him generously and let him receive it. Let him say, “Amen.”
Allow him to feel renewed and glad that he knocked on your door.
—Your bracha is powerful.—-January 26, 2017 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1213060
He’s still wrong for turning it down and not taking it and saying “thank you”, but that’s where the frustration comes from, I imagine.
Nebuch. And yes, it would not be a bad idea for someone who is really poor to collect bottles. I have heard of families who have saved some significant money in this manner, enough to pay for what other people are “collecting” (such as summer camp).January 26, 2017 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #1213061
For the record, I am speaking from experience. I know it is hard not to give when you want to and want to help. Remember that you have more than just money. Remember that even money comes from blessings.
When I was in Jerusalem, I gave the guy selling red strings a bracha.
I asked Hashem to give him parnassah. Then I asked Hashem to give him nachas. Then he told me that he needed a kallah, so I asked Hashem to give him a kallah.
He said “Amen.” and “Amen.” and “Amen.”
That moment of eye contact and blessings, that is what I had to give that day.January 26, 2017 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #1213062
DY – either way, the point is that apparently I needed the quarter more than him because I was happy to get a quarter back – or would have been if it had happened to me.
I actually had a simliar maaseh at the Kosel years ago with agurot (I don’t remember how much, and it would have been worth much more back then anyhow). In that case, she actually threw it back at me which was pretty upsetting. So I told myself what I told Mrs. Plony.January 26, 2017 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1213063
I just reread Mrs. Plony’s post and realized that her case was different than mine. It doesn’t sound like the guy was necessarily being rude – maybe he really felt that she needs the money more than him if she is only giving a quarter.January 27, 2017 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1213064
I actually didn’t see the collector’s reaction. I sent LPP to give him the money because most of the time men who are collecting in my neighborhood won’t take money directly from a woman’s hand. By the same token, I’m afraid that if I gave him a bracha per lightbrite’s suggestion he might get offended that I would converse with him. But your idea of asking if he would take a quarter – that way he doesn’t waste time waiting by my door if 25 cents isn’t worth his while.
I used to say to every collector, no matter how much I gave, “I wish I could give more, and I wish you didn’t have to go collecting.” But someone convinced me to stop.January 27, 2017 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1213065
Awww. Sorry I didn’t think of the issue that it may be inappropriate to have a woman talk to him.
I think it was nice of you to express your desires, which is a calling to HKBH in a way too. Though I am guessing that you stopped for a good reason, so thank you for explaining where you are coming from here.
Well… I want to give you a bracha MRS PLONY to always have sweet parnassah that allows you to give to your family generously and yourself and to your community and outward. I know that your family is #1 when it comes to chesed. So it shows a lot that you are prioritizing their needs, which is not easy when someone comes in and there is pressure to give.
May you always have good health, nachas, and every blessing and may you always enjoy your blessings.January 27, 2017 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #1213066
AMEN! TEN L’MAR! Thank you so much, lb. I’m going into Shabbos in a great mood now!January 31, 2017 4:08 am at 4:08 am #1213068
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I think you meant “v’chen l’mar.” Either way, “mar” refers to a man.February 1, 2017 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1213069
Oh. Thanks, Randomex. I never saw it in print, just heard it said, so I didn’t know.
Anyway, closure time: Tonight two separate men came collecting. Most of the tzedaka money has been distributed and we’re back to coins. In each case I apologetically said, “I don’t have much; can I give you a quarter?” One collector said “Sure” and I sent Little Prince Plony to hand it to him. The second one said “No, it’s okay” and I told him “Zei Gebentsched.”
Thank you for reading.February 1, 2017 3:56 am at 3:56 am #1213070
Awww MRS PLONY!!!! Yays. It sounded like that went well 🙂
That was a good approach where you were coming from a thoughtful place and it sounds like you were secure in yourself too.
Great example of modeling your tzadikisness for Little Prince Plony 🙂
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