When we do have a female president one day

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    👑RebYidd23
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    She should be called “Mr. President”, same as any other president, and her closest female relative should be First Lady, same as any president without a wife.

    #1191646
    akuperma
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    The consensus is that she would be “Madam President”. While originally “Mrs.” and Madam” which is French, meant the same thing, is American English the use of the French form is consider more respectful to a person of high status.

    There is no consensus at what the male spouse would be called. Some have suggested “First Gentleman” (reflecting that “gentleman” like “madam” is traditionally a title for someone higher than average.

    #1191647
    Joseph
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    The English counterpart to Lady is Gentleman.

    As far as honorific, there is always Mrs. President (as the closest equivalent to Mr. President.)

    #1191648
    Joseph
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    Let’s daven that we never have a female president so that the above conversation remains only theory.

    #1191649
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I’m not sure that he should have a title. A wife has a title because “behind every great man is a great woman”, but the same doesn’t apply the other way. In a way, I think it might even be insulting to him.

    #1191650
    👑RebYidd23
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    So far, when the president does not have a wife, the closest female relative is First Lady. Why should that be different just because she herself is female?

    Also,the title “Mr. President” doesn’t need a female equivalent. Just as she is President, not the “female equivalent” of the male creature that is a president, the title can also be the same.

    #1191651
    yehudayona
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    Joseph, why do you oppose the idea of a female president? Would you have protested Devorah and Chuldah?

    #1191652
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Let’s daven that we never have a female president so that the above conversation remains only theory.”

    And now the real reason why you don’t like Hillary comes out. 🙂

    #1191653
    Joseph
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    A woman’s place isn’t in the public arena. This isn’t a novel idea. Shulchan Aruch, Rambam, Chazal, etc. share this point.

    #1191654
    iacisrmma
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    Joseph: That may be for the frum world. KOL KEVUDA BAS MELECH PENIMO is not part of the SHEVA MITZVOS BNEI NOACH.

    #1191655
    Joseph
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    That is a natural part of the human condition. Modesty is not only intended for Jews. Gender roles are a fundamental function of humanity.

    #1191656
    iacisrmma
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    Do your saying that Indira Ghandi, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir were immodest?

    #1191657
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    According to Halacha, women aren’t allowed to have certain types of leadership positions such as being a king. Devora and Chulda did not have postions that are forbidden for women.

    Even though this halacha does not apply to goyim, it could possible that the reasons behind it do (depending what the reasons are).

    For example, if the reason is that woman’s natural talents cause her to be someone who does not have the ability to be in a leadership position (since every quality has both a positive side and a negative side), this is something that would presumably apply to goyish women as well.

    However, if the reason has something to do with the person themselves (meaning it wouldn’t be good for her as opposed to not being good for everyone else) then it would not apply.

    #1191658

    The US is a staring Bald Eagle

    A nation’s animal represents their identity

    Does a women fit that?

    #1191659
    👑RebYidd23
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    Female bald eagles are just as powerful as male bald eagles if not more.

    #1191660
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    What is the significance of a staring Bald Eagle?

    #1191661
    👑RebYidd23
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    They’re American and they’re bold.

    #1191662
    flatbusher
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    Joseph: Just when I was thinking that what normal person would actually not vote for Hillary because she is a womwn, you make your comment. Indeed there were women in Jewish history who were leaders.

    #1191663
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Indeed there were women in Jewish history who were leaders.”

    As I pointed out above, according to Halacha, there are different types of positions, some of which are forbidden and some of which aren’t. I think that women might not be allowed to be president. On the other hand, they are allowed to be Nevios and Poskos like Chulda and Devora.

    I think the reason that women are not allowed to be Rabbis is based on this halacha (that women are not allowed to have leadership positions).

    In any case, I don’t know whether or not this would be a reason not to vote for Hillary since she is a goy, but I don’t think it’s a crazy idea. Not necessarily because there is a halachic issue involved but because the same reasoning could POSSIBLY apply here.

    #1191664

    It’s a cold unfazed stare

    Admittedly,Have any male presidents of the last 20 odd years fit?

    #1191665
    I. M. Shluffin
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    If it were up to Benjamin Franklin, our national bird would have been the turkey. He thought they looked more scary (if comical) chasing after the redcoats. Maybe that image would have sooner allowed for a female president?

    #1191666
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    And would you want a president who does?

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