June 26, 2012 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #603894ayshosheeParticipant
sometimes i go to sleep really late lkke rlly rlly late when is the latest time that im aloud to say shema?????thx! 🙂June 26, 2012 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #881129ItcheSrulikMember
A lubavitcher Maggid shiur once told me that if you wake up and realize you forgot krias shema you should close the shades and pretend it’s still night time.June 26, 2012 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #881130SayIDidIt™Participant
ItcheSrulik, uuuuuuum!June 27, 2012 1:24 am at 1:24 am #881131KozovMember
Till Alos Hashachar.June 27, 2012 1:56 am at 1:56 am #881132popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Before you fall asleep.June 27, 2012 2:00 am at 2:00 am #881133
You must say Krias Shema before Chatzos. Assuming you did that already (by davening Ma’ariv after Tzeis, or if you davened Ma’ariv at shkiah then by repeating Krias Shema some time after Tzeis), then you can say Krias Shma al Hamitah as late as you want until I assume Alos HaShachar.June 27, 2012 7:24 am at 7:24 am #881134ayshosheeParticipant
ok….. so since im a girl and i never learnt about these things, can u please make it simple for me so i, the person who asked the question, can actually understand.
………maybe in numbers, meaning times…thx! 🙂June 27, 2012 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #881135SayIDidIt™Participant
ItcheSrulik, why close the shades? Isn’t closing your eyes enough?! Or when you say Shma, you cover your eyes with your hand. Now its dark!June 27, 2012 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #881136ItcheSrulikMember
Before you fall asleep is about as simple as it gets.June 27, 2012 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #881137
There is a website called myzmanim that gives you all the times. Basically, you must say Krias Shema after Tzeis HaKochavim (when the stars come out). The minhag is is that this is 42 minutes after shkiah- sunset (that’s an hour after candle lighting on Erev Shabbos- though in reality Tzeis is probably earlier). You also must say Krias Shema before Chatzos (midnight… but the halachic midnight, it’s not always 12 AM). Assuming you did all that, then you should also say Krias Shema before you go to sleep however late it is (presumably until Also HaShachar- dawn). If you forgot to say Krias Shema before Chatzos, say it as soon as you remember, don’t wait until you go to sleep. Then you could say Krias Shema again before you go to sleep.June 27, 2012 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #881138
You can say Krias Shma Al Hamittah no matter what time you go to sleep. The Bracha, however, has to be before Alos (maybe you have until Neitz? I’m not sure of that).
Simcha: Why do you keep saying that Shma must be said before Chatzos, if I recall correctly, it’s not so clear that we Pasken that way.June 28, 2012 12:07 am at 12:07 am #881139yentingyentaParticipant
what if one works the night shift and goes to sleep in the AM. can they say the bracha with krias shema?June 28, 2012 12:18 am at 12:18 am #881140HarotzehbilumshmoParticipant
I have great resapect for the talmedei chachomim here so please correct me if I am wrong. I don’t have a shulchan oruch here, but if I am not mistaken, in the siman on zman k”sh (about 57-58) the mechaber says that bedieved one can say keriyas shema of arvis until netz. He adds though that you can’t use the time for both shema of arvis and shacharis at same time!June 28, 2012 12:46 am at 12:46 am #881141
Yenting: Unless anyone can find a source otherwise, I don’t think you can say the Bracha that night (well, I have a reason that you can but no one says it Lema’aseh).
Harotzeh: Of course. That’s an explicit Gemara (Brachos 8b maybe?).June 28, 2012 12:51 am at 12:51 am #881142havarkaMember
21.june is the shorttest night of the year – till 03:35 AM
21. dec is the longest night of the year – till 05:38 AM
between its getting longer and shorter
find out on myzmanim.comJune 28, 2012 1:13 am at 1:13 am #881143
Havarka: June 21st is always the longest date of the year but does not always start the earliest. Also, if you used myzmanim for those times they are incorrect. Those are a Chumra against the majority of Poskim. The Shulchan Aruch clearly states that Alos is 72 minutes before Neitz. There is no reason to add at least an extra half hour like they do. (Also, I assume those are times for New York but you should have stated that.)June 28, 2012 1:18 am at 1:18 am #881144havarkaMember
Sam2June 28, 2012 1:35 am at 1:35 am #881145
Havarka: Not a source. A S’vara. The S’vara is true and stated explicitly in the Aruch Hashulchan. But none of the Poskim apply the S’vara far enough to allow this conclusion. Thus, Lema’aseh, the S’vara is the reason for it but does not quite apply all the way to its logical conclusion. (Someone once said that applying S’varas all the way to their logical conclusion or not is the difference between a Lamdan and a Halchist. I think that’s true. And since this is a Halachic issue, we cannot apply the S’vara to where the Poskim haven’t.)June 28, 2012 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #881146
S”A 235:3- Lechatchila one must say Krias Shema at Tzeis (M”B- because of zrizin makdimin leMitzvos) and its zman is until Chatozs (M”B- and if you say it later then you are violating the words of the Chachamim) but if you violated this and delayed past chatzos, then you are yotzei as long as you say it before Alos (M”B- that’s if you did it on purpose but if you were oneis you can even be yotzei if you say it before Neitz).
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