whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita????

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    ayshoshee
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    sometimes i go to sleep really late lkke rlly rlly late when is the latest time that im aloud to say shema?????thx! 🙂

    #881129

    ItcheSrulik
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    A lubavitcher Maggid shiur once told me that if you wake up and realize you forgot krias shema you should close the shades and pretend it’s still night time.

    #881130

    SayIDidIt™
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    ItcheSrulik, uuuuuuum!

    #881131

    Kozov
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    Till Alos Hashachar.

    #881132

    popa_bar_abba
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    Before you fall asleep.

    #881133

    simcha613
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    You must say Krias Shema before Chatzos. Assuming you did that already (by davening Ma’ariv after Tzeis, or if you davened Ma’ariv at shkiah then by repeating Krias Shema some time after Tzeis), then you can say Krias Shma al Hamitah as late as you want until I assume Alos HaShachar.

    #881134

    ayshoshee
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    ok….. so since im a girl and i never learnt about these things, can u please make it simple for me so i, the person who asked the question, can actually understand.

    ………maybe in numbers, meaning times…thx! 🙂

    #881135

    SayIDidIt™
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    ItcheSrulik, why close the shades? Isn’t closing your eyes enough?! Or when you say Shma, you cover your eyes with your hand. Now its dark!

    #881136

    ItcheSrulik
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    Before you fall asleep is about as simple as it gets.

    #881137

    simcha613
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    There is a website called myzmanim that gives you all the times. Basically, you must say Krias Shema after Tzeis HaKochavim (when the stars come out). The minhag is is that this is 42 minutes after shkiah- sunset (that’s an hour after candle lighting on Erev Shabbos- though in reality Tzeis is probably earlier). You also must say Krias Shema before Chatzos (midnight… but the halachic midnight, it’s not always 12 AM). Assuming you did all that, then you should also say Krias Shema before you go to sleep however late it is (presumably until Also HaShachar- dawn). If you forgot to say Krias Shema before Chatzos, say it as soon as you remember, don’t wait until you go to sleep. Then you could say Krias Shema again before you go to sleep.

    #881138

    Sam2
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    You can say Krias Shma Al Hamittah no matter what time you go to sleep. The Bracha, however, has to be before Alos (maybe you have until Neitz? I’m not sure of that).

    Simcha: Why do you keep saying that Shma must be said before Chatzos, if I recall correctly, it’s not so clear that we Pasken that way.

    #881139

    yentingyenta
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    what if one works the night shift and goes to sleep in the AM. can they say the bracha with krias shema?

    #881140

    Harotzehbilumshmo
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    I have great resapect for the talmedei chachomim here so please correct me if I am wrong. I don’t have a shulchan oruch here, but if I am not mistaken, in the siman on zman k”sh (about 57-58) the mechaber says that bedieved one can say keriyas shema of arvis until netz. He adds though that you can’t use the time for both shema of arvis and shacharis at same time!

    #881141

    Sam2
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    Yenting: Unless anyone can find a source otherwise, I don’t think you can say the Bracha that night (well, I have a reason that you can but no one says it Lema’aseh).

    Harotzeh: Of course. That’s an explicit Gemara (Brachos 8b maybe?).

    #881142

    havarka
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    21.june is the shorttest night of the year – till 03:35 AM

    21. dec is the longest night of the year – till 05:38 AM

    between its getting longer and shorter

    find out on myzmanim.com

    #881143

    Sam2
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    Havarka: June 21st is always the longest date of the year but does not always start the earliest. Also, if you used myzmanim for those times they are incorrect. Those are a Chumra against the majority of Poskim. The Shulchan Aruch clearly states that Alos is 72 minutes before Neitz. There is no reason to add at least an extra half hour like they do. (Also, I assume those are times for New York but you should have stated that.)

    #881144

    havarka
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    #881145

    Sam2
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    Havarka: Not a source. A S’vara. The S’vara is true and stated explicitly in the Aruch Hashulchan. But none of the Poskim apply the S’vara far enough to allow this conclusion. Thus, Lema’aseh, the S’vara is the reason for it but does not quite apply all the way to its logical conclusion. (Someone once said that applying S’varas all the way to their logical conclusion or not is the difference between a Lamdan and a Halchist. I think that’s true. And since this is a Halachic issue, we cannot apply the S’vara to where the Poskim haven’t.)

    #881146

    simcha613
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    S”A 235:3- Lechatchila one must say Krias Shema at Tzeis (M”B- because of zrizin makdimin leMitzvos) and its zman is until Chatozs (M”B- and if you say it later then you are violating the words of the Chachamim) but if you violated this and delayed past chatzos, then you are yotzei as long as you say it before Alos (M”B- that’s if you did it on purpose but if you were oneis you can even be yotzei if you say it before Neitz).

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