May 24, 2016 3:19 am at 3:19 am #617746OkialeMember
I will start davening shavharis in the morning before school but I need to know whether thinks like Katores is part of it or what, and if now, when is that said, and what is exactly part of it
ThanksMay 24, 2016 3:27 am at 3:27 am #1152765
I don’t think you need to say Kitores. Not everyone says it, so start with the basics only.May 24, 2016 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1152766OkialeMember
Thanks DYMay 24, 2016 10:37 am at 10:37 am #1152767
You’re welcome – how did it go today?May 24, 2016 11:14 am at 11:14 am #1152768feivelParticipant
When I first started Davening, all I said was the Shema in the morning and in the evening. at home. I didn’t go to Shul yet. It took me a long time just to do that.
Later I started adding things little by little.May 24, 2016 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1152769theprof1Participant
What some people do and think they did it correctly isn’t an issue. You asked when shacharis starts. it starts when shulchan orech says it starts. Shacharis strts at brochos, or ctully at “mah tovu”. The oart of korbonos and kitores is part of shacharis even if some people skip it. it is still part of shacharis.
shacharis ends with oleinu for nusach sfard and at the yom for the day for aschkenaz. Deciding that you have no time doesn’t mean that you davened completely. These are the times of a complete schacharis. Period. Halacha.May 24, 2016 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1152770zahavasdadParticipant
OP The previous answer is exactly why you need to speed to a Rav and not get advice from the internet.
Your own Rav can give you advice based on your circumstances
Prof . The OP is a 15 year old who is becoming a BT living with his parents and I am guessing here likely going to Public school, throwing the entire Halacha at him is not really such a good idea, he needs to go in stagesMay 24, 2016 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1152771ubiquitinParticipant
Please don’t listen to theprof1. Clearly he is complelty frei since after aleinu every siddur has the ani maamins and shiesh zechiros therefore they must be integral parts of shacharis too I’m not sure why he indicates it would be ever ok to skip it.
Besides, that the shulchan aruch DOES NOT say when “shacharis starts” nor does it say to say kitores
Please stick with DY and Feivel.May 24, 2016 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1152772
Clearly he is complelty frei since after aleinu every siddur has the ani maamins and shiesh zechiros therefore they must be integral parts of shacharis too I’m not sure why he indicates it would be ever ok to skip it.
For the benefit of Okiale, who may not be familiar with the style of various posters here, I will point out that ubiquitin is exaggerating here when he calls theprof1 completely frei (irreligious).
His point, I believe, is that not everything printed in the siddur is a requirement to be said, and it is a correct one.
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