October 2, 2014 1:29 am at 1:29 am #613795thatguyMember
Where do you draw the line between Modern guys and guys who are in mainstream yeshivos and wear a hat in school but not at home and are involved with secular culture(music, books, have tv in there house)October 2, 2014 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1033945bekitzurParticipant
Why draw a line?October 2, 2014 1:54 am at 1:54 am #1033946business1Participant
Pretty much the same thing they just have different outer appearances.October 2, 2014 2:11 am at 2:11 am #1033947thatguyMember
Let me try to answer my own question and see if you guys agree. Maybe MO people think its totally fine to do what they are doing but the guys in yeshiva know they should be better but they do it because of taivahOctober 2, 2014 6:19 am at 6:19 am #1033948cozimjewishMember
Yes – I have the same question!!! Can someone PLEASE answer this regarding girls, as well???October 2, 2014 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #1033949RandomexMember
Taking the question literally, it sounds like the two types are
pretty clearly “modern guys” and “modern guys in right-wing yeshivas,” if their homes have TVs and they don’t wear hats (at all) outside yeshiva, but ThatGuy’s second post seems to indicate that this wasn’t his intention.
Maybe he just means that the “modern guys in r-w yeshivas” should
have learned there not to partake of secular culture in the manner that their family does?
Or is the second category “yeshivish kids drifting?”
Variations in standards exist within the camps, of course – I’m from Lakewood, and many of the people I see in the local public library probably don’t identify as modern, whatever they may be checking out. (They aren’t usually yeshiva bochurim.)
Whether they in fact ideologically see no problem with what they’re doing is another story – is that what you mean, ThatGuy?
For girls, things are a little different. Yeshivas are yeshivas, but different girls’ schools may be more or less tolerant. I don’t know.
My own category, of course, is “ideologically yeshivish but in love with (and possibly addicted to) secular culture.”October 2, 2014 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #1033950cozimjewishMember
lol!! Randomex – me to a ‘T’ 😀 😀October 3, 2014 4:12 am at 4:12 am #1033951Letakein GirlParticipant
I know it’s really not my place to give you mussar, but I can’t help it. Your post came out sounding very wrong. You love secular culture? That’s awful. I really think you would benefit from listening to some shiurim by speaker like Rabbi Ephraim Waschman. Your neshama must be crying out in pain.October 3, 2014 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1033952RandomexMember
I don’t mean (and, I’m sure, neither does Cozimjewish) that I admire or idealize the secular society’s way of life. Not at all!
I meant that I love (in the sense of enjoying greatly) reading, listening to, playing, or watching many of their products.
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