Where to draw the line

Why draw a line?

Taking the question literally, it sounds like the two types are

pretty clearly “modern guys” and “modern guys in right-wing yeshivas,” if their homes have TVs and they don’t wear hats (at all) outside yeshiva, but ThatGuy’s second post seems to indicate that this wasn’t his intention.

Maybe he just means that the “modern guys in r-w yeshivas” should

have learned there not to partake of secular culture in the manner that their family does?

Or is the second category “yeshivish kids drifting?”

Variations in standards exist within the camps, of course – I’m from Lakewood, and many of the people I see in the local public library probably don’t identify as modern, whatever they may be checking out. (They aren’t usually yeshiva bochurim.)

Whether they in fact ideologically see no problem with what they’re doing is another story – is that what you mean, ThatGuy?

For girls, things are a little different. Yeshivas are yeshivas, but different girls’ schools may be more or less tolerant. I don’t know.

My own category, of course, is “ideologically yeshivish but in love with (and possibly addicted to) secular culture.”

Randomex,

I know it’s really not my place to give you mussar, but I can’t help it. Your post came out sounding very wrong. You love secular culture? That’s awful. I really think you would benefit from listening to some shiurim by speaker like Rabbi Ephraim Waschman. Your neshama must be crying out in pain.