February 22, 2016 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #617273Bubba21Participant
My son is starting to follow playing sports because his friends do and i was wondering which sport i should encourage him to follow? is there one that is more appropriate for a 10 year old frum boy? please give your svara so i can make an educated chinuch decision.February 22, 2016 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1139530pioyosParticipant
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Rabban Gamliel and his family played an early version of basketball, complete with “alley oop” passes.
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Gedolim card trading.February 22, 2016 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #1139533
allFebruary 22, 2016 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1139534zahavasdadParticipant
ShuckingFebruary 22, 2016 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #1139535MDGParticipant
There are two reasons for sports. One is for exercise and the other is to become a better team player. I guess with any of the sports you can become a good team player, but basketball has the most exercise. Hockey also seems good for exercise, but it seems to me that there is more chance of getting hurt with a hockey stick.February 22, 2016 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1139536TheGoqParticipant
Are we talking playing sports or following a team?February 22, 2016 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #1139537YUmachurMember
@bubba21..First off when you say your boy is “frum”.. Does that mean hes yeshivish or Modern?! Because that will clarify lots of things!February 23, 2016 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1139538theprof1Participant
The most fun a yeshiva bochur can have is coming to grips with a difficult tosfos. Ecstasy when you figure out pshat. No twisted knees, no twisted ankles, no broken wrists. And the reward for yegiyah in Torah. Unlimited. Who can ask for more.February 23, 2016 3:20 am at 3:20 am #1139539
Baseball is the frummest. A bunch of cities across the country that each support (lavishly) asarah batlanim (including the DH).February 23, 2016 5:44 am at 5:44 am #1139540
I do not know if it is considered a sport but chess develops the mind. Many bachurim in Russia who played chess when they needed to relax from learning became gedolei Tora.
Regarding OP’s choices, football is a barbaric sport (the goal is to knock down people) as is NHL hockey (college and European hockey have a different atmosphere). Baseball is very strategic and is more brain than brawn. Basketball is not so good for someone who is not very tall.February 23, 2016 6:01 am at 6:01 am #1139541YUmachurMember
squeak. .what defines frummest? Baseball players have more games of the season and therefore you might be tempted to cut seder a few minutes late or go to davening early..that doesn’t seem frum to me does it?!February 23, 2016 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1139542
Any sport where “assist” is an important stat should be considered, since it encourages chessed.February 23, 2016 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #1139543
squeak. .what defines frummest?
As always, the one which your neighbors will be impressed how Frum you are, and will bump your children up on Shidduch lists.
What other definition of Frum is there?
:pFebruary 23, 2016 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #1139544
Thank you gavra for that general clarification. I also gave a direct justification for my specific statement in my post.February 23, 2016 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1139545akupermaParticipant
1. Clothing. Basketball poses a shailoh since it is usually played in a warm indoors arena and the traditional uniforms are shorts. Track, Tennis, Soccer and swimming pose similar problems. Except for swimming, the sporting costumes while unfashionably short for a frum community tend to be relatively decent.
2. Shabbos conflicts. While all sports are played on Shabbos, College football is almost all on Shabbos Other sports spread their games our during the week.
3. As a participant, all team sports are a problem since there are rarely enough people to have all-Shomer Shabbos teams. Individual sports such as track and field, or bowling, or tennis or gold have a real advantage for s Shomer Shabbos athlete since they can train invidiually (wheras to train for a team support you need a team).
4. Some sports are more dangerous than others (such as American football, or boxing). Any sport taken seriously will have real health benefits (excluding chess, though some suggest it has mental health advantages especially for older people, though the same is probably true for learning Torah).February 23, 2016 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1139546
squeak – Only because cities don’t have Golf teams.February 23, 2016 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1139547UtahMember
Why don’t you ask him what sport he is interested in?February 23, 2016 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1139548Baal BooseParticipant
Easy, for being a fan.
Hockey is definitly the most tznius, and they are much less spoiled than baseball or basketball.
You can add football to the mix. (Except for the ad’s by superbowl)February 23, 2016 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1139549
Are there 10 people on a golf team?February 25, 2016 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1139550skripkaParticipant
but they fight in hockey, thats a horrible example of bein adam lechaveiroFebruary 25, 2016 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1139551
People fight for the amud too. You dont stop taking your kids to shul.February 25, 2016 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1139552Avram in MDParticipant
Baseball and football, since they are the easiest to follow by radio.
>:)February 26, 2016 4:42 am at 4:42 am #1139553
Regarding OP’s choices, football is a barbaric sport (the goal is to knock down people) as is NHL hockey (college and European hockey have a different atmosphere). Baseball is very strategic and is more brain than brawn. Basketball is not so good for someone who is not very tall.
Well SaidFebruary 29, 2016 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1139554☢️ 🚭 ☣️ Rand0m3x 🧠🕴️🎲Participant
(Should this thread be taken any more seriously than your other one?)
Your son will probably follow the sports his friends follow
regardless of your input. Unless you count fights in hockey,
no radio broadcasts of games include specifically objectionable material (although ads might). You might ask the question about
the games themselves, if you plan on taking him to any.February 29, 2016 5:55 am at 5:55 am #1139555
1. Who says that men are not allowed to wear shorts other than during davening?
2. If someone can get out of Shabbat participating is better as it provides exercise that the body needs. For this reason Rav Kook encouraged sports in general while condemning Shabbat games.February 29, 2016 6:19 am at 6:19 am #1139556oilyhairParticipant
For sure HOCKEY is….. because they all HOCK away!!!February 29, 2016 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #1139557
( As has been pointed out, he did not agree with any anti-Torah or even non-Torah observant philosophy or behavior.)
He was consumed with love for all and that love ignited a fire in him to try to bring as many back as possible.
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He certainly realized some of his mistakes as evidenced by his reaction to the Bible Criticism course taught at HU, commenting that Rav Yosef Chaim could not be fooled.
He was hopelessly soaring with his head above the clouds,
as many of his closest associates came to realize ,some earlier, some only later.
He himself seemed to be coming to that realization in his final days
He ,nonetheless, was a tremendous Talmid Chochom and tzadik
iirc Your crowd cherry picks what fits your agenda of the Day,yes ?February 29, 2016 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1139558
But we digress……..February 29, 2016 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1139559
He was poetic,and he is deserving of
But then, you often take an awful lot of it..
Where you’re attempting to go is a slippery slope .
It goes as far as absurdly thus….
(Thursday, January 22nd, 2015 09:30 PM)March 1, 2016 1:43 am at 1:43 am #1139560oomisParticipant
Baseball. 1)clothing is tzniusdig 2) good exercise 3) not intrinsically dangerous like football or hockey. Kiddush Hashem was made by one of the most famous players, Sandy Koufax, who refused to play on Yom Kippur (I think).March 1, 2016 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1139561zahavasdadParticipant
Baseball. 1)clothing is tzniusdig 2) good exercise 3) not intrinsically dangerous like football or hockey. Kiddush Hashem was made by one of the most famous players, Sandy Koufax, who refused to play on Yom Kippur (I think).
Sandy Koufax did refuse to play on Yom Kippur
Alan “Shlomo” Veingrad was a NFL player who became a chabadnick after his careerMarch 1, 2016 5:49 am at 5:49 am #1139562
Truth, I do not consider either Dr. Calderon, Shaked or Smotrich to be an authoritative interpreter of Rav Kook. I also do not consider myself to be their spokesman (although I might accept the job for the right salary). However, if they want to take inspiration from him that is fine. He himself said not to make “Kookistim”. That is to say, the tent is big. If what she meant is that Chareidim should get off the shnor and into the IDF and the job market she is right.
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