Are white skirts not tzanuah?

Huh?

I never heard of that in my life. I wear white skirts all the time and as long as its not see through theres nothing wrong with wearing white skirts or even green, pink yellow or blue for that matter

If it’s not black, send it back.

I dont know where you’ve been looking but EVERYONE is wearing white skirts lately.

wearing a white skirt reminds me of nursing school. and Pen stains.

Not a good combo.

Yeah theyre very in this summer

I hope & trust that my white straw hat is Tzonua?

Well since black is the epitome of tznius, I assume that white, which is the opposite, should be completely assur.

I know a lot of people who have never worn skirts. And a woman who is allergic to bees should not wear brightly colored skirts in the summer.

sam2, is there any particular reason jewish brides wear a white dress?

“PAA: I do not think that means what you think it means.”

Are you referring to the Gemara in Kesubos or the Gemara in Yevamos? The Gemara in Kesubos is talking about nedarim that are inuy nefesh and one of those listed is a neder about abstaining from wearing colored clothing. Rashi is explaining that abstaining from colored clothing is a genai and a bizayon to her and makes her degraded* to her husband.

The Gemara in Pesachim is saying that colored clothing is mesameach women. See also the hakdama to the Levush where he explains that he entitled the volume dealing with hilchos nashim “Levush Tachrich Habutz V’ha’argaman” because

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*for lack of a better word

WIth questions like this…….It’s no wonder so many are going off the derech.

A black wedding dress is certainly inappropriate, but white makes women look bad.

According to wikipedia white wedding dresses and veils are a relatively newer concept for the Western world:

The tradition of a white wedding is commonly credited to Queen Victoria’s choice to wear a white wedding dress at her wedding to Prince Albert in 1840.

Royal brides before Victoria did not typically wear white, instead choosing “heavy brocaded gowns embroidered with white and silver thread,” with red being a particularly popular colour in Western Europe more generally.

Although women were required to wear veils in many churches through at least the 19th century, the resurgence of the wedding veil as a symbol of the bride, and its use even when not required by the bride’s religion, coincided with societal emphasis on women being modest and well-behaved.

Sam2:

“colorful clothing” perhaps not; “colored clothing” yes. I was not so precise in my first comment, but in my second comment I was. Perhaps what you mean is that I don’t necessarily have a raya because in Talmudic times “colored clothing” was chashuv because of the cost and work of dyeing it whereas nowadays it’s not.

Sam2:

I agree that it doesn’t mean colorful clothing. But that is not the same thing as colored clothing.

See for example the Aruch Laner Sukkah 10a:

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But if we’re still not talking to each other, maybe you should say what you think it means.

not that I personally mind this discussion, but for those who are “super-senstitive” to tznius, this is exactly what I meant about these discussion not being tzanua… as Sam2 tries to evade what exactly what that form of “clothing” is referring to

bym: Disagree. There’s no lack of Tznius in explaining Pshat in a Gemara. It’s just not so comfortable in a public setting.

I remember a friend once telling me about a Daf Yomi Shiur he attended. He said that there were a few lines that the Rabbi told them “read the Artscroll, it’s inappropriate to say out loud”. Which is, of course, absurd, arrogant, and ridiculous. If Chazal thought to write it down for us, it’s appropriate to learn.

bym: Sam is correct. There isn’t anything wrong with discussing the particulars of the various legal parameters required to fulfil this obligation. In fact it is a necessary topic.

147, It could be you’re in Eretz Yisroel. Tu b’Av is on Monday.

Sam, do single women tend to forget yaale vyovo or is it married women who tend to forget?

Sam2 – Bigdei Tziv’onim, in a general sense, definitely means colored clothing. This is clear in many places in Shas.

And in terms of the general topic, I agree with many others – as long as one makes absolutely certain that it is not translucent in any way, then there is certainly no Tzenius issue. The aforementioned bride was misguided, as she acted contrary to Minhag Yisrael.

The only problem with a white skirt, is keeping it clean-looking. Anything else negative that has been written, is over-thinking the tznius issue. It SHOULD be lined, or with a good slip, to prevent it from becoming see-through.

Myturnatbat:

White does not attract the eye. Reflection and absorption here is irrelevant, as is snowblindness.

In answer to your question, yes, I am an expert in the field.

yeshivaguy45:- FYI I am an orthodox Jewess, so I strictly adhere to the Jewish calendar and take no notice of the secular calendar, hence when I sent my previous message to the coffee room, it was Ov 14th, & not 13th, since I am a Shabbos observer.

“PAA: Every set of T’shuvos R’ Akiva Eiger numbers them differently. It’s 1:1 in mine.”

That’s the same as mine.