Who is a Real Chossid?

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  • #605219
    goldersgreener
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    a maspid for r’ avrohom genichovsky said that he was a real chossid, and anyone who doesn’t agree either did not R’ Avrohom zt@l, or does not know what a real chossid is.

    I did know r’ avrohom and i always considered him to be a real real misnaged, so i want to know what defines a real chossid.

    #899833
    Naysberg
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    There is not much differences between Litvaks and Chasidim anymore. They might (or might not) dress a little differently; they might (or might not) focus slightly differently in which Seforim they learn. But there little essential differences.

    #899834
    ZeesKite
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    a Real Chosid is someone that is Really ????? ?? ????.

    #899835
    The little I know
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    These days, the term Chosid (as opposed to Litvak)is comparable to the distinction between the American League and the National League in Major League Baseball. It denotes a specific alliegance without any meaning whatsoever to the quality of anyone or anything. In so many ways, the distinctions have become insignificant, such as levush, choices of seforim, etc. The learning in chassidishe yeshivos has become much more similar to that of litvishe yeshivos. It is commonplace for litvishe families to take their children for “upsherin” to a rosh yeshiva, and for litvishe yungerleit in kollel to sport beards and payos. Chassidishe yungerleit also exhibit many traits and behaviors previously attributed to the litvishe circles.

    Is it not strange to see many of the dated references to the Vilna Gaon as ????? ????? ???????? The term was once a reference to someone’s level of kedusha. Today, it signifies traits and practices that are totally external. What a shame.

    #899836
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    The definition of a “Chossid”, according to the Ramba”m (and others) is one who goes beyond the letter of the law.

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    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42469&st=&pgnum=22

    #899837
    R.T.
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    A real chossid is IMHO, someone who lives Lifnim MiShuras HaDin. In that respect, Rav Elyahsiv zt”l, Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l, the Chofetz Chaim and the Gr”a (to name just a few) were ‘Chassidim’.

    #899838
    Kita Ches Rebbi
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    The GR”A was famously called Hagaon Hachosid MeVilna. The title Chosid was hijacked by the chasidim, it didn’t always mean shtriemel, bekeshe etc.. Think Rav Yehuda Hachosid.

    #899839
    zaidy78
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    To quote the seforim: ?? ???? ??? ???? ????

    #899840

    KCR: The Chasidim didn’t start calling themselves Chasidim. It was the misnagdim that (derisively) gave them the name Chasidim, which they accepted in stride.

    #899841
    Rav Tuv
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    Hashem is The Real Chasid. Tzadik Hashem b’chol d’rachav v’Chasid b’chol maasav.

    #899842
    WIY
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    musser zoger

    Great!

    #899843
    HaLeiVi
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    Historically, any select group with a unique Avodas Hashem where referred to colletively as Chassidim.

    #899844
    BaalHabooze
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    If you look at the title of the OP, there was no question. There was a statement.

    Who is a real chossid. What is a real Rebbe. and I don’t know’s the name of the chassidus.

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