Who is my government working for?
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May 9, 2023 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2188691
I’m just wondering how all our ‘governments’, worldwide, have improved our daily life, if they did. I’m even wondering now if they are not getting paid to make us feel miserable?May 9, 2023 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #2188732akupermaParticipant
If you live in North Korea (or Russia, or maybe in China), it was very dumb question you asked (and probably the last one you will ever ask).
However in a democracy, we elect the idiots who run the country, and to stay in power, they do what the voters want. The “superpower” of politicians is to figure what the voters want and to give them enough of it so they get reelected.
So if you want someone to complain to, look in a mirror.May 9, 2023 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #2188754Avram in MDParticipant
“The “superpower” of politicians is to figure what the [lobbyists, corporations, and interest groups] want and to give them enough of it so they get reelected.”
FTFY.May 9, 2023 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #2188762Neville Chaim BerlinParticipant
Thank you, Avram.
I’m skeptical that any form of government other than oligarchy has ever truly existed in the history of civilization. We definitely don’t need to just blame the voters in the USA. We aren’t a direct democracy to we don’t vote directly on policy. We vote for people from a short ballot of choices given to us, most of which nobody actually likes. And I’m talking about the US. In parliamentary countries they don’t even kind of have democracy. A fringe swing party can end up with insane power, not to mention many of them (eg. Israel) don’t have primaries for their parties.May 9, 2023 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #2188757jackkParticipant
bienvenue dans la société de la terre plate.May 9, 2023 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #2188780
More like the media we consume convinces us what we should want is more important than what we actually need.
I think that people who lead meaningful lives do not fall for all this political conniving. Not that they care much to stop it, but anyways.May 9, 2023 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #2188783akupermaParticipant
Then why do people opposed to “LOBBYISTS, CORPORATIONS, AND INTEREST GROUPS” frequently win elections. How is it that “progressives” (really anti-democratic totalitarians) and “populists” (with a strong authoritarian streak) frequently win elections. The results of elections in many countries show that the anti-elites frequently win. This suggests that those arguing that the government stinks are likely to really be complaining that they were outvoted and they are just sore losers.May 9, 2023 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #2188785
Merci, vous êtes trop aimableMay 9, 2023 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #2188794yungermanSParticipant
Hashem runs the entire world and all the rulers from each country are just messengers assigned to act as rulers and powerful but we all know the truth that Hashem our loving father and king of kings is ruler of the entire world.
Did you forget the famous Jewish line…
“Lev melochim vesorim byad Hashem”…..May 9, 2023 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #2188810
It comes down to vote tallies. A very many people vote. And a large amount of them are easily convinced that society’s ills can be solved with the next election.May 9, 2023 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #2188841
As already mentioned, take pairs of countries that have similar cultures but different government for some time: North and South Korea, West and East Germany, Lithuania and Belarus, China and Taiwan, etc and compare them.
One comparison – US v. UK or Canada, probably shows that American revolution is somewhat over-rated from this point of view – societies are relatively similar.May 9, 2023 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #2188871
No they are not.May 9, 2023 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2188900
They are – UK is probably the closest partner and similar economy to US in the world. And I am talking solely about personal experiences here. There is definite effect of US on the world in politics, science, world wars, anti-communism, etc that might not have happened where it just a rich province of UK.May 9, 2023 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #2188923
What does worked prominence of the state have to do with society at large?May 10, 2023 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #2189165Avram in MDParticipant
“Then why do people opposed to “LOBBYISTS, CORPORATIONS, AND INTEREST GROUPS” frequently win elections.”
Because it sounds good, and talk is cheap.
“The results of elections in many countries show that the anti-elites frequently win.”
The problem is, “elites” is a euphemism for “my opponents”. For example, can you name a US president in modern times who can really reject the label “elite”? Or who won without any support from lobbyists, corporations, and interest groups?
“This suggests that those arguing that the government stinks are likely to really be complaining that they were outvoted and they are just sore losers”
I don’t think so.May 11, 2023 12:34 am at 12:34 am #2189428Avi KParticipant
Reagan said that the scariest words in the English language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you”. On the hand, Chazal saay that if not for fear of the government, people would swallow each other alive. It depends on how much government.
BTW, it’s “or whom is my government working?”May 11, 2023 8:59 am at 8:59 am #2189510
The honest real question is. How much longer will this corrupt democracy government of this country the united States run for? How long will it take before it C”V becomes a communist country as the crazy democrats are in middle of trying to turn it into? How long before a war inside the USA between the residents and groups happens to start with the way things are currently going and only destroying the country each day making it worse and worse.May 11, 2023 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #2189667
When there is a war, there is profit. When there is a crisis, there is a profit, for the first time in EU, Borrell had the courage to tell the truth:
Borrell on Wednesday,was arguing that it all depends on Western military supplies to Kiev.
“I know how to end the war immediately,” Borrell told La Sexta’s El Intermedio show. “Stop providing military aid to Ukraine and Ukraine [will] have to surrender in a few days. That’s it, the war is over,” the EU top diplomat insisted.May 11, 2023 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #2189683
On May 8, 2023, France reached incredible heights of ridicule, heights that we thought were inaccessible. Even if we had had some warning signs with the choice of certain members of the government: the breathtaking responses, the overflowing passion of the Minister of the Economy for the dilation to the point that he made a book of it, or more so by the number of government officials embroiled in conflict of interest or legal cases, not to mention Schiappa’s Playboy coverage.
We thought we had reached the climax with the arm of honor from the minister of the justice to the national representation. Such a lack of respect which is matched only by that of the former Minister of Health Buzyn who decided not to go to the last two convocations of the Court of Justice of the Republic.
Last May 8, ‘Emmanuel Macron, with acute paranoia, a superiority complex, a visceral cowardice or an irrepressible need to be reassured and perpetually flattered, privatizes the Champs-Élysées to avoid having to go up them under other casserolades, boos from a hostile people, and “Macron Resignation” louder than a referendum. It transformed into a desolation devoid of meaning and soul, a commemoration of the victory of the Allies over Nazi barbarism which until then had been a great moment of contemplation and popular jubilation. A parade, yes, but only if he’s alone, no one was allowed to be around, not even at the balcony..May 11, 2023 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #2189721
Since when has Hashem been out of office?May 11, 2023 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #2189726
Do you have a source for that? Josep Borrell has been all over the globe to get weapons for Ukraine, and to stop them from going to Russia.May 11, 2023 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #2189730
Hashem has never left his job in office and is always in office doing his job of taking care of his loving children klal yisroel 24-7 and the rest of the world also that are there to assist klal yisroel through life in many issues from all angles of life.
When klal yisroel does serious Teshuva and Achdus together then we will not be in need of all these other countries and their rulers worldwide anymore cause all of klal yisroel will be gathered together in Eretz yisroel with the rebuilding of the 3rd Bais Hamikdosh. THE CHOICE IS IN YOUR HANDS WHEN THIS HAPPENS. when we gather together as one loving nation for serious Teshuva and Achdus like we did in the story of Purim.May 11, 2023 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #2189754
One of the major symptoms of the general crisis existent in our world today is our lack of sensitivity to words. We use words as tools. We forget that words are a repository of the spirit. The tragedy of our times is that the vessels of the spirit are broken. We cannot approach the spirit unless we repair the vessels. Reverence for words – an awareness of the wonder of words, of the mystery of words – is an essential prerequisite for prayer. By the word of G-d the world was createdMay 11, 2023 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #2189787
So what was that about communists and democrats again? It seems hypocritical to me.May 11, 2023 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #2189788
Which words are a repository of the spirit?May 11, 2023 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #2189852
fuller version of Mr. Borrell on May 8 is below. But Ze did not come up with this herself. From quick search, I see for example Iranian News reported the way Ze does. Out of curiosity, which agency did you read it from?
And everybody wants peace, yes, but for the time being, unhappily, Putin is continuing the war and Ukraine has to defend. And if we don’t support Ukraine, Ukraine will fall, in a matter of days. So, yes, I would prefer to spend this money increasing the, the well-being of the people, hospitals, schools, the cities, as the mayor is asking for. But we don’t have the choice.
What would be your message to Vladimir Putin?
Well, the only message that the international community and certainly the Europeans are sending is ‘Sto
p this war. Stop this war. And stop bombing Ukraine, withdraw your troops’. I know he’s not going to do it, but every time I listen to some world leader saying I want peace. Yes, OK, if you want peace, push Russia to withdraw. Push Russia to stop the war. Don’t tell me ‘Stop supporting Ukraine’. Because if I stop supporting Ukraine, certainly the war will finish soon. But how? How the war will finish. It doesn’t matter? Yes, it matters. It is the most important thing. The war cannot just finish because Ukraine is unable to defend itself and it has to surrender. And the Russian troops will be in the Polish border and Ukraine will become a second Belarus. Do you want this kind of ending for the war? No.May 11, 2023 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #2189853
Ze truth> Reverence for words – an awareness of the wonder of words, of the mystery of words – is an essential prerequisite for prayer. By the word of G-d the world was created
Well said! Is there a source for these wise words?May 12, 2023 6:32 am at 6:32 am #2189891
its quoted in tehillim chapter 33
In Hebrew it says there “bedvar Hashem Shamayim Naasu…..” and continue reading from there which we all say every Shabbos during davening in the beginning of ShachrisMay 14, 2023 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #2190244
So he is saying that we should continue supplying Ukraine with weapons. Were you trying to misquote or not?May 14, 2023 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #2190245
The whole coffee room is waiting for your response.
Who is in control, Hashem or the communists?May 15, 2023 12:03 am at 12:03 am #2190320
Hashem is in control and rules the entire world and it’s a shame we don’t fully realize this always that all these physical kings and rulers etc…. Are just Hashems middlemen messengers to act as rulers but in truth Hashem runs every country and city in the world and this actually was the SHOCKING MESSAGE (written below) that Hashem sent down to the world the second this current Russian Ukraine war going on started.
THE SHOCKING MESSAGE DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM RELATING TO THE RUSSIAN UKRAINE WAR HAPPENING:
World War 1, World War 2 And the Current War of the Invasion of Russia into Ukraine which can Chas Vshalom bring the world today to another world War 3 if we don’t wake ourselves up to serious Teshuva and Achdus together As soon as possible
All 3 Wars if you put the numbers of the date each war started they all come out to the same Gematria numerical Value number of 68
World War 1 started on July 28 1914
World War 2 started on September 1 1939
Current Russian invasion to Ukraine War started on February 24 2022
Do you know what’s the Numerical Value of 68? Chaim/Life and what is the Message from Hashem? Hashem runs the entire world from every country to every tiny city to every person’s life and it’s all in the Power and Hands of Hashem the decree of every person like we say on Rosh Hashanah every year Lchaim Vlo Lamavess. (To life and not vice versa to death Chas Vshalom) When Klal yisroel is not doing Teshuva and forgets who really runs the entire world then Hashem has to remind us who is the real ruler of the world by making world wars happen R”L with millions of lives being killed.
May we all finally wake up and accept Hashems wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP instead of living in denial and thinking we can fool Hashem our loving father and king ruler of the entire world and then Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov.May 15, 2023 10:32 am at 10:32 am #2190465
Oh. So no communists are taking over the country. So we will just go back to minding our own business.May 16, 2023 12:18 am at 12:18 am #2190759
n0 >So he is saying that we should continue supplying Ukraine with weapons. Were you trying to misquote or not?
right, I am pointing out that Ze is misquoting, or, more likely, reading some source that misquoted. I this misquote in Iranian news, for example. I hope Ze will clarify what her sources was, and we can learn something from that.
I guess a lesson for politicians is – speak precisely so that you can not be misquoted…
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