November 27, 2017 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1413149
Ok if I can post something in loshof koidesh then I might as well see if this gets approved first maybe then I can? Or I can in a few posts ?November 27, 2017 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #1413163
המלך המשיח עתיד לעמוד ולהחזיר מלכות דוד ליושנה לממשלה הראשונה ובונה המקדש ומקבץ נדחי ישראל וחוזרין כל המשפטים בימיו כשהיו מקודם מקריבין קרבנות ועושין שמטין ויובלות ככל מצותה האמורה בתורה וכל מי שאינו מאמין בו או מי שאינו מחכה לביאתו לא בשאר נביאים בלבד הוא כופר אלא בתורה ובמשה רבינו שהרי התורה העידה עליו שנאמר ושב ה’ אלהיך את שבותך ורחמך ושב וקבצך וגו’ אם יהיה נדחך בקצה השמים וגו’ והביאך ה’ ואלו הדברים המפורשים בתורה הם כוללים כל הדברים שנאמרו ע”י כל הנביאים אף בפרשת בלעם נאמר ושם נבא בשני המשיחים במשיח הראשון שהוא דוד שהושיע את ישראל מיד צריהם ובמשיח האחרון שעומד מבניו שמושיע את ישראל [באחרונה] ושם הוא אומר אראנו ולא עתה זה דוד אשורנו ולא קרוב זה מלך המשיח דרך כוכב מיעקב זה דוד וקם שבט מישראל זה מלך המשיח ומחץ פאתי מואב זה דוד וכן הוא אומר ויך את מואב וימדדם בחבל וקרקר כל בני שת זה המלך המשיח שנאמר בו ומשלו מים עד ים והיה אדום ירשה זה דוד שנאמר ותהי אדום לדוד לעבדים וגו’ והיה ירשה וגו’ זה המלך המשיח שנאמר ועלו מושיעים בהר ציון וגו’:November 27, 2017 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #1413167
המלך המשיח עתיד לעמוד ולהחזיר מלכות דוד ליושנה לממשלה הראשונה ובונה המקדש ומקבץ נדחי ישראל וחוזרין
Mods will it be possible I can please post the rest?
(In a few posts that are at least five lines?)November 27, 2017 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1413168
המלך המשיח עתיד לעמוד ולהחזיר מלכות דוד ליושנה
Mods will it be possible I can post the rest in a few posts with at least five lines because it’s nit going thru?November 27, 2017 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1413174JosephParticipant
“Who is worthy of being moshiach?”
The Skulener Rebbe
Rav Chaim Kanievsky
Rav Shmuel Auerbach
Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman
Rav Aharon Schechter
The Gerrer Rebbe
and various othersNovember 27, 2017 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1413206
Mods can I post the rest?
Posts with a lot of Hebrew often get sent to spam automatically. You’re welcome to try.November 27, 2017 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1413211
אלא בתורה ובמשה רבינו שהרי התורה העידה עליו שנאמר ושב ה’ אלהיך את שבותך ורחמך ושב וקבצך וגו’ אם יהיה נדחך בקצה השמים וגו’ והביאך ה’ ואלו הדברים המפורשים בתורה הם כוללים כל הדברים שנאמרו ע”י כל הנביאים אף בפרשת בלעם נאמר ושם נבא בשני המשיחיםNovember 27, 2017 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1413214
Oh thanks for telling me didn’t know.November 27, 2017 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1413220November 27, 2017 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #1413227
In the future, the Messianic king will arise and renew the Davidic dynasty, restoring it to its initial sovereignty. He will build the Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel.
Then, in his days, the observance of all the statutes will return to their previous state. We will offer sacrifices, observe the Sabbatical and Jubilee years according to all their particulars as described by the Torah.
Anyone who does not believe in him or does not await his coming, denies not only the statements of the other prophets, but those of the Torah and Moses, our teacher. The Torah testified to his coming, as Deuteronomy 30:3-5 states:
God will bring back your captivity and have mercy upon you. He will again gather you from among the nations… Even if your Diaspora is at the ends of the heavens, God will gather you up from there… and bring you to the land….
These explicit words of the Torah include all the statements made by all the prophets.
Reference to Mashiach is also made in the portion of Bilaam who prophesies about two anointed kings: the first anointed king, David, who saved Israel from her oppressors; and the final anointed king who will arise from his descendants and save Israel in the end of days. That passage Numbers 24:17-18 relates:
‘I see it, but not now’ – This refers to David;
‘I perceive it, but not in the near future;” – This refers to the Messianic king;
‘A star shall go forth from Jacob’ – This refers to David;
‘and a staff shall arise in Israel’ – This refers to the Messianic king;
‘crushing all of Moab’s princes’ – This refers to David as II Samuel 8:2 relates: ‘He smote Moab and measured them with a line;’
‘decimating all of Seth’s descendants’ – This refers to the Messianic king about whom Zechariah 9:10 prophesies: ‘He will rule from sea to sea.’
‘Edom will be demolished’ – This refers to David as II Samuel 8:6 states ‘Edom became the servants of David;’
‘Seir will be destroyed’ – this refers to the Messianic king as Ovadiah 1:21 prophesies: ‘Saviors will ascend Mount Zion to judge the mountain of Esau….’
Similarly, with regard to the cities of refuge, Deuteronomy 19:8-9 states: ‘When God will expand your borders… you must add three more cities.’ This command was never fulfilled. Surely, God did not give this command in vain.
There is no need to cite proofs from the works of the prophets for all their books are filled with mention of this matter.
One should not presume that the Messianic king must work miracles and wonders, bring about new phenomena in the world, resurrect the dead, or perform other similar deeds. This is definitely not true.
Proof can be brought from the fact that Rabbi Akiva, one of the greater Sages of the Mishnah, was one of the supporters of King Bar Kozibah and would describe him as the Messianic king. He and all the Sages of his generation considered him to be the Messianic king until he was killed because of sins. Once he was killed, they realized that he was not the Mashiach. The Sages did not ask him for any signs or wonders.
The main thrust of the matter is: This Torah, its statutes and its laws, are everlasting. We may not add to them or detract from them.
If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance, consider him Mashiach.
If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Mashiach.
He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: ‘I will transform the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose.’
If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35 states: ‘And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time is in the future.’
Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by the court was also alluded to in Daniel’s prophecies, as ibid. 11:14 states: ‘The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.’
Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? All the prophets spoke of Mashiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior who would gather their dispersed and strengthen their observance of the mitzvot. In contrast, Christianity caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humbled, the Torah to be altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the Lord.
Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the power of man to comprehend, for His ways are not our ways, nor are His thoughts, our thoughts. Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to prepare the way for Mashiach’s coming and the improvement of the entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: ‘I will transform the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose.’
How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah, saying: ‘These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the present age and are not applicable for all time.’
Others say: ‘Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those hidden truths.’
When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.
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Chabad.org is the source if anyone wants to know.November 27, 2017 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1413234Philly YidMember
““Who is worthy of being moshiach?”
One person I know who is not. Rabbi Menachem Mendle Schneerson.
On that note, what’s incredible is that the Lubavitchers actually think that non-Chabad believed that Rav Shach was Moshiach. lol. Nothing could be further from the truth. No one in their right mind ever believd such a thing about any litvish gadol. Its only nutbags like Shabsai Zvi Yemach Shemom and chassdic movements that declared their leaders the Mesaiah. They also said the Ruzhiner was Moshiach – every one of the RUzhiner rebbes. Breslov, and many others. Check it out. Chabad wasn’t the first one to declare a Moshiach Sheker.November 27, 2017 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1413243rdher75Member
@770Chabad says “Chabad.org is the source if anyone wants to know.”
Anyone else hear this Apikorsus????? Chabad.org is now a source for Halacha and Hashkafah.
Please, tell us the source for that Lashon Kodesh text above. Where is that written?November 27, 2017 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1413257jakobParticipant
Dovid HamelechNovember 27, 2017 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1413261
😂 😂😂😂😂 lol
Don’t talk disrespectfuly about the rebbe!
You will never say the same thing if the satmar rebbe ztl said he’s rebbe. Or rebbe Nachman.
I started this to put the thing in Hebrew but it doesn’t go. So I had to do it in English.
I never said the rebbe is moshiach.November 27, 2017 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1413263
The Navi.November 27, 2017 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #14132665ishParticipant
Its the end of Rambam’s Hilchos Melachim Umilchamoseyhem where The Rambam outlines the halachos of who can be Moshiach. I am not sure why OP felt the necessity to paste it here.November 27, 2017 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1413278The little I knowParticipant
It is not my business who Moshiach is or will be. These are agenda driven threads, and they are contaminating YWN. Anyone who wishes to carry on discussion on this has numerous sites to go to, or people to engage in it. I am finding this subject offensive, missionary or cult like, and narcissistic and grandiose. I plan to not read this thread again or comment.November 27, 2017 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1413280
That’s what I was saying on the other posts. It’s in the end of Rambam like either the last or second to last Mitzvah .November 27, 2017 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #1413352GAONParticipant
I will re-post part of another post that is buried on the other thread:
I will quote the Rambam in full first:
ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דוד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדוד אביו. כפי תורה שבכתב ושבעל פה. ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה. וילחם מלחמות ה’. הרי זה בחזקת שהוא משיח. אם עשה והצליח ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי זה משיח בודאי. ויתקן את העולם כולו לעבוד את ה’ ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך אל עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא כולם בשם ה’ ולעבדו שכם אחד:
I will focuse on the last two conditions of Mosheach:
“” ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה”
Q: Does this apply to the Rebbe?
Answer: Certainly not
ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה does NOT mean creating a BT movement, it means כל ישראל” literal, which means including me and you and ALL Jews. And as we are discussing this, there are MANY Jews including ones that call themselves Charedim, Chassidim, Mitnagdim, etc. that are not within the category of לילך בה ולחזק בדקה and I’m not going into the fact of Chilonim.
Thus, by not accomplishing the above, renders the Rebbe unfit as per the above category.
וילחם מלחמות ה’
Well, I don’t see where that has been accomplished in any way. You can try apply anything to that, but anyone with some sense of Pshat knows that is not what the Rambam had in mind..November 28, 2017 11:01 am at 11:01 am #1413831zahavasdadParticipant
I am generally pro-chabad as I think they do alot of good work
However when I see quotes from Daniel and Trei Assar , that does make me feel uncomfortable and sounds very similar to another relgion who also quotes from these placesNovember 30, 2017 6:08 am at 6:08 am #1415794my own kind of jewParticipant
Joseph (and anyone else who wants to answer) what criteria do you think a person has to meet to be considered “worthy of being moshiach” and why do you think those specific requirements?December 4, 2017 12:44 am at 12:44 am #1417581EffieParticipant
I do not believe in any human being only hashem that is enough for me yet it seems that chabad is not content to worship hashem alone. Chabad has lost the big picture and like christians they have lost the plot…they have abandoned the Ikar which is Hahsem and obsess over a tafel a mortal human bring. I believe in hashem not mashiach. Chazal say Assur Lechashev et hakez a directive violated grossly by the Chabad everyday. The rebbe is being whorshipped by Chabad much the same way as Yushka is by the christians…the messiah is all important comparable to God and ultimately replaces God.
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