Who said tachanun today?

That’s ridiculous. That Rosh Yeshivah is saying that bochurim make policy, but by Chassidim it’s married yungerleit that make policy and minhag, not bochurim.

Are you a troll or a snag, perhaps even both?

@Nodel please stop making fun of people you disagree with, don’t understand and don’t want to try to understand. If you lived in the tines of the Tannoim or Amoraim you would have gone meshige. See yaknehaz sugia, for example. Minhag Yisroel Torah, even when it’s not YOUR minhag

It’s from the tzemach tzedek; I’ve seen it a few times.. I can’t find the source right now

I think he was telling you to stop ripping on people just cuz you don’t get it.

SN,

Do some research!
Call up a Chasidishe Rav for mekoros.
Check a few seforim that talk about it .
The seforim of the Shefa Chaim from Klausenberg discuss the minhag and it is based on solid sources from Tzadikim.
How you can be mevatel a minhag that millions of Jews keep without doing any research?

Is Nodel a troll?

SN,

You are a troll because you decided that you are a bigger Talmid Chochom than all the Tzaddikim who have the minhag of skipping tachanun.
As Rav Schachter shlit”a would say “It is not mechzei K’yuhurah . It is mamash Yuhara.”

I can show you the text of tachanun in every nusach Sefard siddur, every siddur used by every Chassidishe Rebbe and by all Chassidim. They do day tachanun regularly. They also have minhagim hundreds of years old to refrain from tachanun on certain days. Lav Davka Mondays and Thursdays. Many Rebbes would ask mohelim to daven elsewhere so the minyan could say tachanun. So yiu are just misinformed. And plain wrong. And motzei laaz on an entire sector of Yidden.

SN is asking an old question – can a group break a minhag of their ancestors and later insist that their minhag needs to be respected.

I saw this mocked in a short-term: when a kibutznik asks a RY to send the child home because he is not following minhag of his father. The response – he _is_ following minhag of his father, that is completely rejecting what the father was doing!

One might argue that a couple of hundred years, as SN does, that a couple of hundred years is not much different.

Back in the Old Country, every locale had their own tachanun calendar. Many Chassidim took on many different calendars. I’ve seen this evolve even today, with my own eyes. It really needs a justification. But it won’t happen.

Dear Jackk,

The tzaddikim that are greater than Shimon, (assuming there are greater ones) have greater issues to deal with. You can’t back up a somewhat minor issue with the fact that people let it pass.

Dear Pekak,

That is not the request. Maybe you can provide a sustainable answer.

I was told by one group that their siddur that was written by their Rebbe almost two hundred years ago, does not have tachanun by Mincha. I thought that was silly, because some older siddurim only print it once and your supposed to turn back. Anyways, I found a siddur from that group that had it printed by Mincha. One chassid told me he has a copy of the original siddur. Nobody else cared. After a few months, he finally lent it to me. It had tachanun by Mincha. And mentioned very few days that tachanun is omitted. They still did not care. And, when asked, they still claim that it is not in the Rebbe’s siddur.

What really bothers me, is their lack of confidence to just saw this is how we do it now.

The almost universal minhag of Chassidim is to not say tachanun by mincha. Of course, mincha is typically davened by them at or after shkiah and tachanun isn’t supposed to be said after shkiah.

hundreds of kehillos kedoshos not saying tachanun by mincha every day would constitute a source for this minhag

The minhag of many Chassidish kehilos is not to say tachanun at mincha. This minhag is recorded in many Chassidic and Sefardic sources. A number of explanations are offered:

1 they often daven until after shkiya, and according to many opinions tachanun may not be said after shkiya, so a blanket rule was instituted so as never to come to saying after shkiya, which in some kabbalistic sources danger is associated with this practice.

2 tachanun by mincha requires intense concentration, which most people don’t have in the middle of their day

3 after it is night in Israel tachanun should not be said even in other parts of the world

Sources:
Sefer Nimukei Orach Chaim, Shu”T Dvar Yehoshua Y:D 3:74, Zivchei Zedek siman 9 [minhag bagdad], Sefer Shulchan Hatohar Siman 22.

Tachanun was never recited at a certain chassidish shteibl; each day was the yahrtzeit of some rebbe. One day, no one could think of a rebbe who had a yahrtzeit. “Whose yahrtzeit is today,” the gabbai asked. No one responded. “I demand that someone tell me which rebbe has a yahrtzeit,” the gabbai shouted. No response. “Do you mean to tell me that not one rebbe ever died on this day?!” the gabbai thundered! Its amazing! What a special day!. “No tachanun! Yisgadal!”

Rashi in Meseches Yevomos68 states that the yartzeit of a tzaddik is a regel, and some poksim say based on this, no tachnun is recited on this day.69

68. 122a “Tulsa.” Refer to Meshmeres Shalom 12:4, Avodas Ephraim 2:pages 510-515 on why some have the custom not to recite tachnun on a yartzeit of a tzaddik. Some say a yartzeit is like a chasuna (ibid). See Kaf Ha’chaim 580:24 who brings that the day of a yartzeit of a tzaddik is a day to fast not a regel. Refer to Shem Aryeh O.C. 14.
69. Meshmeres Shalom ibid, Ketzos Hashulchan 24:badi 19.

Pekak – i agree that telling a chosson to daven beyechidus for that reason is problematic in halacha, but who ever is told that? There are a ton of minyonim chasanim can and do daven in. What’s the issue?

What about many chasidim davening shachris(with minyanim) late in the afternoon, according to NO shitta in the shulchan aruch. Is that also minhag kadosh?

How about ignoring a knowledge troll tread with a response.

The explanation is given that the chasidim are like children who can come to their father, Hashem anytime.

The reason we dont say Tachanun by Ma’ariv – is for the “meorer dinim” reason – no source in Halacha.
Originally, Tachanun was the MAIN part of Davening – as explicit in Daniel – literally falling on the floor 3 times a day. But, because of the “meorer dinim” reason, we dont fall on the floor (the sphardim dont fall at all – the ashkenazim fall on the table – but not on the floor anymore – which is the real Halacha)
All this is because of “meorer dinim” reason.
Most Chassidim in LKWD are VERY makpid to say Tachanun, with 13 Midos, every day Shachris and Mincha – even after Shkiya.
But, i guess, fpr some since the minhag ashkenaz is to fall on the table, they extend the “meorer dinim” reason even more.

BUT EVERYONE TODAY HOLDS OF THE “meorer dinim” reason – IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER – AGAINST HALACHA!

Cheylev; who said there’s even a chiyuv m’dina to say tachanun?

Also, reb e, there’s a better reason to justify davening late. Rav Meir Shapiro said that a rebbe is toraso umnaso, and is hence patur from davening in general; he can daven a tefilas nedava whenever he wants.

Rav belsky said this over once on a shabbos; i asked him, how would this work for the chasidim, who are not toraso umnaso? He said with a smile that they’re farbunden with the Rebbe. He was litvish, but had a deep respect for chasidishe minhagim, with some exceptions.