September 10, 2012 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm #604835on the ballParticipant
The various posts on this subject got me thinking about this question. Maybe absolute proof does NOT exist. And maybe that’s why the Torah warns us so vehemently to maintain the memory of Maamad Har Sinai by passing it from father to son and Rebbe to talmid.
My father told me that his he heard from his father who in turn heard from his and he from his and so on …and this actually goes back unbroken for 3000 years or so that the events in the Torah actually happened and that we met Hashem at Har Sinai, heard Him speak personally and that he at the time commanded us to accept a written and oral Law that would be transmitted from generation to generation, starting with Moshe. That’s why I together with hundreds of thousands of other Jews believe in the Torah. This doesn’t necessarily PROVE it’s true. It’s just the basis for my belief.
Think about it – if every generation since Matan Torah had faithfully passed this on and if every generation had faithfully accepted that fact – there would be no need for proof ever. If someone breaks the chain of tradition – that’s their choice. Everyone has bechira. Who’s to say the Torah provided an alternative way of connecting with our Mesorah. If someone then fails to pass on the tradition or fails to accept it – it’s too bad. Maybe to reconnect then does require a leap of faith of sorts.
Granted, their are very strong pointers that make denying it close to irrational. Chazal and the Kuzari and others provide these pointers. But absolutely solid, incontrovertible proof? I am not sure.September 10, 2012 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #896163interjectionParticipant
I don’t believe it is meant to be provable. If God wanted us to keep the Torah because of a proof, He would have made the proofs easier to find. It is possible I’m wrong but I believe God wants us to earn our belief in Him and in the Torah. We are supposed to keep it because we believe it’s true but he wants us to work for it so we actually deserve to believe in Him.September 11, 2012 1:59 am at 1:59 am #896164ready nowParticipantSeptember 11, 2012 5:34 am at 5:34 am #896165HaLeiViParticipant
However it can be easily proven that Toran Min Hashomyim (Torah from Heaven) is indeed fom Heaven.
There is grammatical proof to that.September 11, 2012 5:42 am at 5:42 am #896166OneOfManyParticipant
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