Who to visit first Rebbe or kosel

The logic of first visiting the tzaddik is so that he can daven for you and be melamed zchus for you so that your tefilos at the kosel will be later accepted.

This logic is found in Sh”T Dvoray Emes s. 13, that one should first go to keveri tzaddikimbefore visiting kever of his parents because the tzaddikim will add zchusim to him in Gan Eden HaElyon, so that when he later visits his parent’s kever, he comes in a holier state.

The Sh”T Mishne Sochir (Y.D. 2, s. 238) writes the contrary, that one should first visit his father’s kever before his rebbe’s kever because by bakoshos of rachamim, the father has greater rachamim on his son then the rebbe.

This logic may apply too, that visiting the rebbe for bakoshas rachamim on his chosid/student may preceed before visiting the kosel for bakoshas rachamim.

(After considering the fact that HKBH is our Father (“bni b’chori Yisroel”), and a Rebbe is also a father to his student/chassid – still the wordly connection of a Rebbe-student is more apparent)

Do you want to see the remains of a Mikdash or a living Mikdash?

Do you pray to a Rebbe?

I posted earlier that there is a strong reason to first visit the Rebbe (based on seforim cited), but I need to qualify that response: It applies if visiting for a bakosha (- which is most common and nearly anything qualifies as a bakosha).

However, if visiting strictly to give kovod (as a form of Ola Regel), then Kovod Shamayim would certainly come first because both the talmid/chosid and the Rebbe/tzadik are michuyav in kovod Shamayim.

Laskern – you know the Mogen Avrohom s. 301, s’k 7 and s. 554 s”k 12 rules that there IS a mitzva to visit rebbe/tzaddik on yom tov, as do the overwhelming majority of poskim. The Noda B’Yehdah (Tanina, O.Ch. s. 940 is a lone opinion, and difficult to understand – especially that he does not mention the Mogen Avraham at all.

In any event, “ma shmita aitzel har Sinai”, I don’t understand the connection between your comment and the discussion of this thread Subject: “Who to visit first Rebbe or kosel” Are you trying to switch subjects?

ZionGate – I don’t follow your logic, A Noda B’Yehuda was mentioned. I provided the citation for it and added that it is contrary to Mogen Avrohom and all other poskim. I also wondered what that N.B. has to do with the OP question and the conversation. Am I missing something (I did remember to take my meds) or are you missing something?

Clarification: That he can visit him on yom tov, but not the whole day…

The Tzitz Eliezer deals with a similar question – A Rabbi falls holding a Sefer Torah. both are on the floor, who do you help up first? He explains that its dependent on how you answer a stira in gemaras . One place it says that a Torah has more of a din kavod and in another gemara its mashma that a Rebbe has a greater chiyuv. In the end he shows its really a three way machlokes.
A) The Rebbe has more kavod since he fulfills the purpose of the Torah, therefore should be taken care of first.
B) The Torah as the source has a greater level of kavod and it comes first.
C) The gemaras were referring to different types of Talmidei Chachamim -a “stam” T”CH and a Gadol B’yisroel. The Gadol has precedence over the Torah, and the Torah over the Stam Talmid Chacham.

One could argue that the same would be in your case.
It should be noted that if there is Tzar to the Rebbe then all agree he has kadima over the Sefer Torah.

Boruch M – if a rebbe get more kovod than a sefer Torah, why are you allowed to let a rebbe go into a washroom but you must not let a sefer Torah enter a washroom? (Now I am trolling).

… unlike this underhanded wiseguy, I feel your posts are not meant to be vindictive or push an agenda. You want debate and entertain even off the wall, this toshav troll wants to shtech. That’s the difference.

“debate and entertain even off the wall”. my debates are most entertaining when I am off my meds or maybe when I am on my meds – not for me to decide.

There is a real company in Vicksburg called Troll Meds and that is what they sell. Really! Google it.