May 6, 2015 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #615652screwdriverdelightParticipant
Why do ??????? start with ????? for weekdays and ????? for shabbos?May 6, 2015 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #1076229HaLeiViParticipant
You start your day with Shacharis; you start your Shabbos with Kabbolas Shabbos.May 6, 2015 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #1076230IvduEsHashemBsimchaParticipant
Because on a weekday, you could say the day starts with maariv or shacharis – since it’s circular, it doesn’t really matter. But shabbos starts with maariv.May 6, 2015 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #1076231JosephParticipant
You wake up Erev Shabbos… First weekday Shachris. Then weekday Mincha. Then Kabbolos Shabbos and Maariv for Shabbos. Then Shachris for Shabbos. Then Mincha for Shabbos.
The order seems logical.May 6, 2015 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1076232screwdriverdelightParticipant
My day doesn’t start with ????? any more than my shabbos does. Remember the week is circular as well.
(I daven ????? on ????? ??? before ????? on Sunday.)May 6, 2015 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1076233golferParticipant
I could definitely be wrong here, but I always felt it was for the little kids, whose first introduction to Sefarim is a Siddur. The first thing they learn to daven is Birchos Hashachar. As a raya for my theory, may I add that many Siddurim start, even before Seder Hashkamas HaBoker, with a page or two of Alef Bais as if we’re learning K’riya.May 7, 2015 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1076234Rebbe YidParticipant
It’s annoying, though, because that puts weekday ma’ariv and shabbos ma’ariv in close proximity, so it’s easy to accidentally turn to the wrong one (oh good, here’s borchu in the approximately expected location…oh, what’s ufros oleinu sukkas shlomecho doing here?)May 7, 2015 3:18 am at 3:18 am #1076235HaLeiViParticipant
I didn’t say the day, I said your day. And I said so purposely. You wake up in the morning, Daven Shacharis, you go to sleep after Maariv. Are you arguing on that?
Must Siddurim are laid out advising to the day. First is Shacharis, then Mila, Bentching, other Brachos and Tefillas Haderech. Then it’s Mincha and Maariv, then Krias Shma al Hamita. Then is Shabbos, and after that Hallel, Musaf, Yom Tov stuff Yotzros, Kriah and Tehillim.
Why do Bentchers have Hamotzi before the Seuda? After all, I only take out the Bentcher after I wash. The Hamotzi would be for the next Seuda. Therefore, it should be the last thing in the Bentcher!May 8, 2015 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1076236Little FroggieParticipant
On the topic of why, here’s a real WHY:
Why do all Gemarahs have “Talmud Bavli” printed in the front cover, while the Mesechta on the side? Ever wonder? Going around in a Bais Medrash, don’t you notice? Isn’t it utter silliness? You spot a Gemarah on the table, you have to look on it’s SIDE to see which Gemarah it actually is. How silly. I know it’s Talmud Bavli, they could have put that on the bottom in small letters. Isn’t it more beneficial to put the Mesechta in the front?!?
Oops. The printer didn’t think about that…May 8, 2015 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #1076237golferParticipant
The printer must have been thinking how yeshiva bachurim don’t get any exercise…May 8, 2015 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1076238cent_centParticipant
The logic for the side is that you are able to see it when it is on the shelf next to different sefarim. Imagine trying to find a sefer on the bookshelf with no names on the side.
Now, you do have a question as to why they don’t ALSO put it on the front.May 8, 2015 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1076239Mashiach AgentMember
if every started with arvis. then when you would open it up in the morning you would feel very negative & only think about going back to sleep etc…May 8, 2015 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1076240Little FroggieParticipant
Yes, that was my question (rant). I’m not saying not to have it on the side, but it’s equally important to have it on the front too. Having “Talmud Bavli” on the front is like writing “Sefer” on the front of every sefer.May 8, 2015 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1076241Avram in MDParticipant
scared driver delight,
Joseph has it right. It’s intuitive.
While you are correct that our day starts in the evening, with ma’ariv as the first tefilla of the day, ma’ariv usually follows closely after mincha. So although mincha technically is the final tefilla of the day and ma’ariv the first of the next day, it makes it easier for us to find ma’ariv if it’s right after mincha in the siddur. Shacharis comes first in the siddur, because that’s the first tefilla you do after a long break (sleeping), when you have probably put the siddur away and then taken it back out. Again, it makes it easier to find.
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