Why are Yeshivos considered Tzedaka?

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  • #609093
    ShalomToYou
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    Can anyone explain why a Yeshiva can collect Tzedaka for itself? Aren’t all Yeshivos like a business, where they provide a service and charge (high) tuition?

    And if anyone selling Jewish stuff is considered Tedaka, why can’t every seforim store collect Tzedaka for itself?

    The only thing I can think of is that some kids can’t pay tuition. So the Tzedaka is for them. But if so that would be limited to the shortfall caused by those kids. To me it seems that the schools collect as much as they can, Chinese Auctions, raffles etc, without any Cheshbon

    #952730
    DaMoshe
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    ShalomToYOu: Very often, the tuition charged is not enough to cover the costs of the yeshiva. They fund raise to keep the tuition from rising to levels that are really crazy.

    #952731
    Ariellah
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    yep!

    #952733
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I doubt there’s a single yeshivah which covers costs with tuition alone. Most have a shortfall even after fundraising.

    #952735
    zalman
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    it’s not tzedaka it’s hachzakas hatorah

    #952736
    playtime
    Member

    Tzedaka means righteousness.

    Also, you have no idea how underfunded Yeshivot are. Rabbis from all different Yeshivot sometime receive their salary months delayed. Roshei Yeshivot have to add fundraising to their already jam-packed schedules.

    People should knock on the doors of Yeshivot and offer money, for what they are worth.

    #952737
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Talmud, you might want to consider a donation to your local yeshiva in memory if your dearly departed cupcake.

    #952738
    The little I know
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    When we translate Tzedokoh as charity, it may be less than 100% accurate. There are many charitable causes. These include Tzedokoh la’aniyim, basically alms to the poor, and Hachzokas HaTorah. They are not the same, and one does not fulfill one responsibility with the other (although there can be overlap). For instance, the tzedokoh that is to be given prior to tefilo is clearly stated as ???? ????? ????, which is for the poor. Likewise, ????? ???????? on Purim is NOT fulfilled with even the most generous donations to yeshivos and chesed organizations.

    The needs of yeshivos have never been greater, with multiple sources of funding (government programs and many of the large donors) being severely limited. The current situation for many is desperate. But this is not the same as the obligations for the poor.

    #952739
    playtime
    Member

    DaasYochid- I saw that thread. I think my account was hacked by an old lady. We’re working on it.

    #952740
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Probably mod-73.

    #952741
    playtime
    Member

    Mod 73 may not be discussed when not present. – 127

    #952742
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    No idea.

    #952743
    writersoul
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    I was always under the impression that giving money to yeshivos is either hachzakas haTorah or tzedakah if specifically for a scholarship fund.

    However, my Halacha rebbi did say that you cannot fulfill your matanos le’evyonim obligation by giving to a yeshiva- I’d assume that’s unless you knew it was for a scholarship fund, but I have no basis for saying that.

    #952744
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Writersoul I don’t see how one can be yotzei matanos l’eyonim by donating to a scholarship fund.

    #952745
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    lol wut

    #952746
    writersoul
    Participant

    Why not? You’re providing tzedakah indirectly to poor people who can’t afford to send their kids to school. It’s the same as donating it directly and having the recipient use it to pay tuition.

    #952747
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Yes, because it’s indirect. You’re not giving them money. They can’t buy food with it.

    #952748
    YW Moderator-73
    Moderator

    heh heh heh

    #952749
    YW Moderator-73
    Moderator

    *crazy evil old lady laugh*

    #952750
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    73, so I guess you can restore Talmud’s post.

    #952751
    YW Moderator-73
    Moderator

    he’s gonna have to repost it. can’t restore edited text.

    #952752
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Well anyhow, Talmud asked me if I thought you were an old lady.

    #952753
    YW Moderator-73
    Moderator

    so what’s the word, sonny-boy?

    #952754
    playtime
    Member

    DY- Lets put it this way. Moderator-21 is 21 years old. 🙂

    #952755
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    And Moderator 007?

    #952756
    YW Moderator-127
    Moderator

    And me?

    #952757
    playtime
    Member

    27

    DY- James Bond had been the same age for the past 50 years.

    #952758
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Talmud – so has my grandmother.

    #952759

    and it therefore seems elementary, my dear watson, that DY’s grandmother is James Bond, hiding in plain sight as mod-73.

    #952760
    Daniel Rosen
    Member

    Why can’t a Jewish business owner collect tzedaka for his store? If someone owns a shoe store (such as me) I can go around collecting tzedaka in order to keep my store from going under and falling into poverty. In fact, it would be the highest form of tzedaka for someone to lend or give me.

    No one is forcing you to participate in these Chinese Auctions, raffles and tzedaka.

    #952761
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I can go around collecting tzedaka in order to keep my store from going under and falling into poverty.

    If the business could be profitable, but you need an infusion of cash to keep it solvent until it can turn a profit, then why not?

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