February 24, 2016 4:39 am at 4:39 am #617288mw13Participant
Women can. We can’t.
All us men can never get up past zman krias shema once we turn 13. How come women can do it?!February 24, 2016 4:42 am at 4:42 am #1197881
It’s totally sexist and unfair. If there’s a rabbinic will there’s a rabbinic way. The rabbis must end this travesty and free men from the yoke of sleep deprivation.February 24, 2016 4:47 am at 4:47 am #1197882The QueenParticipant
Because women wake up to babies at night.February 24, 2016 5:09 am at 5:09 am #1197883Little FroggieParticipant
Because women (like Frogette) were up through the night… (OK not really.. just about every one and a half hours)February 24, 2016 5:19 am at 5:19 am #1197884MammeleParticipant
Because most frum women have to get up a couple of times in middle of the night for their babies — for a nice chunk of their lives. Most men just fall asleep and can sleep straight through. It’s a trade-off you may actually be thankful for one day.February 24, 2016 9:46 am at 9:46 am #1197885akupermaParticipant
If a nab wishes to sleep late, all one has to do is pull an all-nighter, daven at the visikin minyan (or earlier in some places at some times of the year), and then go to sleep. You get to sleep until its time to wake up for mincha. Even on the shortest days, that’s a solid eight hours.February 24, 2016 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1197886apushatayidParticipant
They can.February 24, 2016 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1197887blubluhParticipant
I thought that those with a chasideshe heritage don’t hold by the same time limits for things like zmanei tefillah as their litvishe counterparts.
So, can’t they get as much shut-eye as they need?February 24, 2016 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1197888Geordie613Participant
They can theoretically. But they’re always up so late. At my local maariv hub, it seems the later you go there, the more chassidish the minyan is. (A shout out for MH in Manchester)February 24, 2016 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1197889aquestioningjewParticipant
Geordie613 – Same in the capital (shout out for Hagers)February 24, 2016 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1197890
Because women wake up to babies at night.
OUCH! Good answer (and totally true).
MW13 – any response?!February 24, 2016 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1197891Bored_on_the_JobParticipant
Because women wake up to babies at night.
OUCH! Good answer (and totally true).
Totally true that women get up with babies while men roll over and fall back asleep.
However how many years are women doing that for, 15-20?
Waking up for krias shema is 13 till end of life.
I thought women were patur because they needed the time in the morning to put on their sheitels 😉February 24, 2016 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1197892aquestioningjewParticipant
I got a sub-title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool!February 24, 2016 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1197893
Men’s job is to go out in the world whereas women’s job is in the home.February 24, 2016 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1197894
Bored_on_the_Job – The reason why Noshim are Patur in Miztvos Aseh SheHazman Gramah is because they are supposed to be taking care of their children (or when the Husband tells his Isha to take care of the children so he can sleep, Al Pi the Abudraham). So it is true that is the reason, and it is true that Noshim get up.
Who knows how many years a person has on this world?February 24, 2016 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1197895👑RebYidd23Participant
Women in today’s society are expected to do everything that is considered to be a woman’s job plus everything men are supposed to do.February 24, 2016 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1197896
RY, another reason why we Yidden shouldn’t follow today’s goyish society.February 24, 2016 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #1197897Avram in MDParticipant
If one connects to Torah not entirely due to pure love of Hashem, but instead uses it like a spade for something else, like misogyny, there is a risk that the person will come to disrespect mitzvos.
This thread is a good example of that.
Is waking up at 8:00am to fulfill the will of the Creator really so hard that it’s worth complaining about, even in jest?February 24, 2016 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #1197898zahavasdadParticipant
There are plenty of cases where the man needs to get up for the kids (Ie the wife is sick, The Wife is out of town or For some reason there is no wife around like a widower or a divorcee)February 24, 2016 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1197899apushatayidParticipant
Would be a shame to get to the beis din shel maalah after 120 and be asked if you followed the shulchan aruch, and find out you blew it on the 1st line.February 25, 2016 5:09 am at 5:09 am #1197900mw13Participant
So it seems that we all (except for Joseph;) really agree – the different natures and/or roles of men and women will naturally result in different religious obligations for members of each gender. Therefore, it is not logical to complain if one side has one particular obligation or prohibition that the other does not. Just because something is right or wrong for members of one gender does not mean that that is automatically true for the other. Each has their own role to play, and their own way to serve Hashem.
MW13 – any response?!
Truth is, this doesn’t really bother me the least bit. I was simply trying to bring out the point I just wrote above, in response to http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-cant-girls-stick-out-in-a-crowd.February 25, 2016 6:00 am at 6:00 am #1197901👑RebYidd23Participant
But sleeping late is related to a biological fact: that women bear children and are designed to care for them. Standing out in a crowd is not.November 22, 2016 11:13 am at 11:13 am #1197903
The maaleh of being single and female! I can sleep whenever I want to!November 22, 2016 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1197904yehudayonaParticipant
LuL, could you sleep during the entire time allowed for mincha? Like from chatzos until tzais?November 22, 2016 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1197905
L’chatchila, I’m not supposed to. But, if I feel it’s really necessary, I’m allowed to. What is the definition of “really necessary”? That depends on the person and/or her Rav, but there is more leeway for girls according to Halacha.November 22, 2016 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1197906iacisrmmaParticipant
Rabbi Jungreis A”H (husband of Rebbetzin Esther) was known to say that babies cry in middle of the night for two reasons: to wake the mothers to take care of them and for their fathers to wake up and learn torah.November 23, 2016 2:45 am at 2:45 am #1197907LightbriteParticipant
I once lived in a rural area where the roosters would wake me up in the morning.
They say that roosters wake you up at dawn.
Reality was 3am and pitch black outside.
Men can be grateful that their not roosters.November 23, 2016 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #1197908
The maaleh of being single and female! I can sleep whenever I want to!
Don’t mean to burst a bubble, but that is like saying the maaleh of being a Goy is that you can eat a cheeseburger.
Also relevant is the Gemorah in Gitten 12B & 13A.December 11, 2016 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1197909mik5Participant
You could daven v’sikin and then go to sleep until Mincha. But why would you want to?December 11, 2016 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #1197910simcha613Participant
“Men’s job is to go out in the world whereas women’s job is in the home.”
Unless the man is in kollel. then the woman has to go out in the world and run the home.December 11, 2016 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #1197911
Mik5 – I usually work nights, so I do do that most of the time.December 11, 2016 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #1197912tzniusMember
I know plenty of good frum guys who do so but then they daven later.December 11, 2016 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1197913
Well sometimes I do get stuck in an argument in the CR and miss Netz unfortunately 🙁December 12, 2016 4:59 am at 4:59 am #1197914
I just want to announce that I just saw the most GORGEOUS sunrise while davening netz (sort-of) on my mirpeset. Whoever missed it missed out on something spectacular! “Ma rabu maasecha Hashem!”December 12, 2016 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1197915LightbriteParticipant
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