Why can't you say tehillim and learn Tanach between shkia and chatzot (midnight)

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    abc12345
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    why can’t you say tehillim and learn Tanach between shkia and chatzot (midnight)?

    thank you

    #942743

    playtime
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    who told you this?

    #942744

    yytz
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    #942745

    Sam2
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    The Tzitz Eliezer has a T’shuvah on this and brings down several different opinions about what is a problem and when. There are several Minhagim by this and certainly not everyone is Makpid. There are those (including the T”E) who hold that Tehillim is always okay while he also brings downs opinions, if I recall correctly, that Tehillim was Davka the problem.

    #942746

    abc12345
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    @talmud A Yisroel; I asked my Rov and he confirmed I should not between shkia and chatzos lila. I did not ask for an explanation as he seemed to be on his way somewhere.

    Thank you for the references.

    #942747

    old man
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    Some people refrain from reciting tehillim after sunset till chatzot because those are the hours that “midat hadin” operates and tehillim is “midat harachamim”

    However, there is no halachic basis for this minhag.

    #942748

    charliehall
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    To quote a comment on the other thread, “Most hold that it’s mutar.”

    Given that the mitzvah of talmud torah is a d’oraita, and is in effect at all times and at all places, and that all of Nach (including Tehillim) is Torah, I can’t see how anything other than a universally accepted decree from Chazal, such as that for Tisha B’Av, could overturn it.

    #942749

    Nechomah
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    I’m not sure that it’s an issue of “learning Tanach”, meaning something like taking a shiur on the parsha or the like. I think the issue is with something like pamayim mikra v’pam targum. My husband does his during daylight hours, but he says that it’s OK on Friday night. Not sure what the svara is.

    #942750

    Sam2
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    Nechomah: No, it’s on just learning straight Tanach. Most Poskim say that there is no concern (even to those who are concerned) if you are using Peirushim, because then it’s Torah Sheba’al Peh and not just Torah Shbiksav. The Tzitz Eliezer in his T’shuvah quotes opinions who are Meikel on Shabbos (and on Thursday night) due to Kabbalistic reasons.

    #942751

    Nechomah
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    Sam2, that is actually what I meant – pamayim mikra is simply saying the pseukim, not learning meforshim, so this would be problematic, but going to a chumash shiur at night would not, are we saying the same thing?

    #942752

    Sam2
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    Nechomah: The Targum (and/or Rashi) is Torah Sheba’al Peh.

    #942753

    PBT
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    I’ve never heard of this. However, whether to learn on Nital Nacht (Xmas eve according to the most well known opinion) sounds a bit similar. When a group of us asked our Rov his position, he said, “You should know that there a several different shitas as to what the actual date of Nital Nacht is. So some people are very machmir to fulfill all opinions and don’t learn for the entire winter.” So my position, backed by my Rov is to learn at will what I want whenever I want unless barred from doing so by actual halacha (such as Gemara on Tisha b’Av).

    #942754

    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
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    My father told me that when I study tanach at night I should make sure not to say more than three words in a row without pausing for a meforash. Reading quietly isn’t a problem at all.

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