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  • #1897443
    jewfromny
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    this site is the most biased. you can say what you want but to call it news is something else and dont give me the what about shpiel i heave heard it enough times its only a taine if you dont call them out all the time for doing that same thing you do all the time

    what do you think about this……

    #1897537
    n0mesorah
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    I do not think site biases matter to the unbiased viewer.

    #1897564
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Can you provide examples of things that weren’t reported?

    #1897577
    Milhouse
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    This site has a strangely schizophrenic character. Most of the articles are reprinted verbatim from AP, which is an active arm of the Democrat Party. AP writers, like most news reporters, are simply Democrats with bylines. But the selection of which articles to run sometimes shows a bias in the other direction, as do those few articles not sourced from AP.

    #1897584
    southerner
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    Cause trump is best president ever!!
    The Democrats are the new bolsheviks our to destroy America. Watching it in real time.

    #1897599
    Yserbius123
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    This site also severely under-reported the open letter by Rabbi Avi Shafran and a few others that made the controversial statement that (gasp!) maybe don’t be a Trump cheerleader but look at politics objectively and through a frum lens.

    #1897600
    Gadolhadorah
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    I think the OP is referencing the occasional editorial decisions to use unflattering stock photos of Democratic politicians to convey their distaste for the relevant individual(s). I sense that happens much less with Trump. While Biden is a gaffe machine, there is little focus on Trump’s frequent incoherent rants using the same set of “superlative” adjectives (greatest, strongest, beautiful, powerful etc) intermixed with his mangled pronunciation of words from the teleprompter when he chooses to read from it. Nor is there any focus on the endless efforts by his Staff to clean up his garbled messages by either claiming he “was joking” or claiming the media took his gibberish “out of context”.

    #1897629
    bk613
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    Because they support Trump. No media agency is unbiased. Does CNN report on Biden’s gaffes? Does Fox report on Trump’s bizarre Twitter rants?

    #1897747
    Pekak
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    YWN started as a blog and it still is a blog.

    #1897893
    jackk
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    a more important issue is why this site doesn’t focus on the health of Trump.
    He has had trouble picking up a glass of water with one hand which is not normal at all for a 100% healthy individual.
    His clandestine visits to Walter Reed without announcing why, are also signs that he might have serious health issues.
    He is not a young man.
    This site completely ignores this serious issue.
    I guess it is fine if we have a President Pence.

    #1897897
    MosheFromMidwood
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    Yes, please tell us the Trump gaffes that have not been reported? All media are biased one way or another. Good luck finding the gaffes, at least nothing that comes close to Biden. But he gets a pass because he is a Dem

    #1897911
    2scents
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    jackk

    Those are conspiracy theories. People with neurological deficits would have obvious signs, such as unsteady gate and unilateral deficits, and if this would have been an active medical issue Trump would need to disappear for more than just a few hours.

    #1897932
    jackk
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    2scents,

    I did not give any explanation. What conspiracy ?
    You didn’t give one either.
    It is not normal health and I would like his Doctors to explain it.
    Until they do, I assume that something is wrong.

    #1897944
    Gadolhadorah
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    Have we ever seen a photo of the Trumpkopf having his hair sprayed with dayglo orange paint and crazy glue prior to his white house media appearances. Apparently Navarro used the Defense Production Act to assure continued supply of the spray paint when he discovered the sole supplier was terminating production as a result of the tariffs imposed on China.

    #1897948
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Jackk- you don’t care what trumps health problems are! If youre willing to vote in a man with declining cognition, lo aleinu, who is not a shadow of wwho he was and can’t string a sentence togethet, than there aint nothing out thete on trumps mefical record that would be problematic for you.

    #1897951
    2scents
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    Jackk

    You have certain statements that are unfounded. Those statements do not add up with the neurological deficits one would normally see on a patient that has the conditionyou alleged the president had.

    #1897959
    Reb Eliezer
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    It is pointed out in Michael Smidt’s new book Trump vs US, Trump going for health checkup to Water Reed Hospital and placing Pence on standby if take over required for possible operation.

    #1898016
    jackk
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    2scents,

    I did not allege anything here.
    It is clear that Trump went to Walter Reed discreetly and without notifying the media and giving any reason for it.

    The using a second hand to lift up a cup of water is also clear.
    I feel that the American voter needs an explanation for these things. If there is a good medical reason then fine.
    If the President has health issues and is keeping Americans in the dark regarding them that is a conspiracy.

    Syag,
    I do care about the health of Biden. There are no secrets. His health is clear for all to see. I ignore the stupid and silly repetitive defamatory accusation of Trump and his followers of a “slow and sleepy “Biden and that “He is in hiding .”
    The man was on stage for all 11 Democratic primary debates in front on millions of viewers and was successful in all of them You think people would have realized his health ?

    I watched the videos of Biden that try to show his mental health and if you remove the laugh track from them , they are worthless in determining his health.

    Dr. Kevin O’Connor of The George Washington University released a three-page medical summary of Biden’s health at the request of his patient, in which he described Biden as a “healthy, vigorous, 77-year-old male, who is fit to successfully execute the duties of the Presidency to include those as Chief Executive, Head of State and Commander in Chief.”
    Biden survived two brain aneurysms in the late 1980s — one did not rupture. And while the condition was later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism, O’Connor states there are currently no serious threats to Biden’s health and medical conditions from his past are currently under control.
    Biden is taking blood thinners and medication for acid reflux, cholesterol and seasonal allergies.

    #1898050
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Whoa whoa whoa, you can’t really mean what I think you said. Are you actually saying that the fact that Biden was cognitively sound over 7 months ago is proof that he’s fine now? Have you ever met someone with dementia for gosh sake? And remove the laugh track?! Try reading just the subtitles you could even turn off the video, the man cannot spit out a coherent sentence. You are arguing that point? I have never heard anybody deny the truth of that just ignore it, you are actually going to pretend that he sounds like he’s doing okay? Wow. Ubiquitin please tell me you aren’t having those same thoughts. This Trump derangement syndrome is seriously a lot more dangerous than I thought it was

    #1898055
    Gadolhadorah
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    Putting aside the usual YWN tribal political affiliations, does anyone else feel the frustration that BOTH parties put forward geriatric candidates with serious flaws?? I don’t believe either has dementia although both have clear signs that they have “issues”. With such really talented and “normal” young leadership of both sides of the aisle, why do we continually have to choose between the lesser of two sets of damaged goods??

    #1898056
    Gadolhadorah
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    P.S. If you really want to get a feel for the point noted above regarding the editorial slanting of the photos used to highlight the various news stories, look at the current lead photos on the news page of DeBlasio (on the right side of the page) looking as if he is waiting a diagnosis in a trauma center and the smiling and positive photo (on the left) of Mahmoud Bin Salman, the butcher of Saudi Arabia, who just granted El Al flyover rights for all their flights and provided some positive momentum for Trump’s pre-election middle eastern “peace” efforts.

    #1898069
    huju
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    Let’s be fair to the YWN editors. It is very hard to tell the difference between Trump’s gaffes and his actual policies and beliefs.

    To the opening poster: A “gaff” is a spar on a sailboat, or a spar that holds a microphone.

    #1898082
    bk613
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    “he described Biden as a “healthy, vigorous, 77-year-old male, who is fit to successfully execute the duties of the Presidency to include those as Chief Executive, Head of State and Commander in Chief.””

    I’m sure you also blindly believed Trump’s doctor when he said Trump is the healthiest man ever to be elected President.

    #1898091
    2scents
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    Jackk

    I am not sure what you are latching on, I just checked the alleged incident that might or might have not happened was in November of 2019. The claim is that the president had a stroke, yet the facts are not adding up, as there is no evidence of any symptoms that people with strokes have.

    Oh, and the water incident appears to have been in June of 2020.

    If you see a person picking up a cup using two hands, yet has no other noticeable neurological deficits, no need to be concerned.

    Your handing on to conspiracy theories, it seems that Trump is not the person you would prefer being the president of the United States, I understand this and might even be that I share the same sentiment as you. But that does not make it ok to make up your own facts.

    #1898118
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Hey jackk – venezuela top line messages

    #1898129
    charliehall
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    Trump gaffes?

    Well, lets see.

    He claimed he didn’t know who David Duke was. (That was exposed as a lie — someone found a recording from years earlier when he clearly said he knew who Duke was. Maybe it is dementia.)

    He said the Continental Army took over airports during the American Revolution.

    He endorsed Paul Nehlen, a neo-Nazi, in a congressional primary. (That actually probably wasn’t a gaffe — he really did mean it.)

    He called neo-Nazi marchers in Charlottesville “very fine people”.

    He called the armed bands bearing swastikas and Confederate flags who took over the Michigan State House “very good”.

    He called the 9/11 attacks the 7-11 attacks.

    He accused Ted Cruz’s father as having been a conspirator in the assassination of President Kennedy.

    He claimed that “Ayatollah Khomeini” was the supreme leader of Iran; Khomeini had died in 1989.

    He claimed that Andrew Jackson could have prevented the Civil War; Jackson had died in 1845 and the Civil War began in 1861.

    He boasted that because the terrorists had destroyed the World Trade Center buildings, that he himself now owned the tallest building in lower Manhattan.

    He claimed that the “1917” Spanish Flu pandemic (1918, actually) brought “World War II” to an end.

    According to John Bolton, Trump thought that Finland was part of Russia. (It once was, but it became independent in December 1917.)

    I could go on and on but you get the point. The guy who is cognitively impaired is not Biden.

    #1898158
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Charlie,

    Trump sound like someone who watches too much television. He has a flippant remark on every new story. And he has every current story straight. But little else. Biden sounds like he has better things to think about.

    #1898159
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Bk,

    One doctor walked the statement back. Can you remember which one?

    #1898160
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Jack,

    It does not bother me if Trump is a health risk. A lot of presidents are. They receive the best medical care. It is a grueling job. Even campaigning for president tales a lot of stamina. (See Hillary 9/11/2016.) If Trump is so fragile, it would not just be a little limp.

    #1898161
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Gadol,

    I have noticed that Boomers are still represented in all the powerful arenas of this country. My theory is that the same push they had to rail against the establishment in the Sixties and seventies, prevents them from yielding the megaphone to generation X.

    #1898165
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Syag,

    “the man cannot spit out a coherent sentence.” = He always spoke this way. He wrecked his ’88 campaign trying to cover his speaking deficiencies. Biden has learned to embrace his everyday joe style. If you have a problem with evidence from seven months ago, why is a pattern that was evident thirty years ago make for obvious proof?

    “I have never heard anybody deny the truth of that just ignore it, you are actually going to pretend that he sounds like he’s doing okay?”

    You are referring to me here. I have pointed out many times on this site, that Biden seems sound to me.

    #1898224
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    In response to the title- i don’t know why ywn does anything they do, but what popped into my head was that most people I’ve encountered who support or vote for trump know that he is a moron who happens to be doing the right things. Proving he’s a moron has no value.

    Biden supporters live in lala land and pretending all is well so bringing bidens gaffes and watching people support him anyway no matter how bad they get is highly newsworthy. In a sad and scary way.

    #1898218
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    “He always spoke this way. He wrecked his ’88 campaign trying to cover his speaking deficiencies”

    No. Not at all the same. One was deficiencies. Here there is cognative decline. It’s in his eyes, posture, body language. Not related.

    “You are referring to me here. I have pointed out many times on this site, that Biden seems sound to me.”

    Um, definitely was not addressing you. I respect your breathe of knowledge and intelligence, but as i have mentioned i don’t just disagree with most of your posts, im usually left scratching my head wondering how you came to those conclusions/opinions. For this topic, i was pretty much going by real life conversations.

    #1898280
    Gadolhadorah
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    The difference is that the Trumpkpf’s “gaffes”, misstatements, garbled pronunciations, outright lies and incoherent rants actually endear him to his hard core base. He can do no wrong and anyone saying anything to the contrary immediately is branded as fake news or part of the deep state. Whatever he says becomes “alternative facts” and his aides immediately rush out to spin ‘what he really meant to say is XYZ and those who took him literally are the crazy ones.i

    #1898287
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Syag,

    So is it about putting together a sentence or not? I did not check his body language against forty years ago. But he always makes excellent eye contact.

    #1898288
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Syag,

    I thought you were referring to me with ‘never… anybody’. We had a little back and forth about not taking random posts from anybody.😉

    Just to clear up, I think the media (Especially CNN) spends way too much press on the little mess ups of Trump, instead of the real issues. If the president wants to to do something controversial, all he has to do is make a stupid ‘mistake’ and that guarantees that the real story will not be covered much.

    #1898355
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Jackk said he knows biden isn’t suffering from dementia presently because he did a good debate in February. I was responding to that.

    #1898362
    jackk
    Participant

    The questions I brought up regarding Trump’s health are not the main issue of whether he should be elected or not. I have many strong Torah reasons why I will never vote for him.
    Nobody besides his Doctor and staff know whether he has health issues.

    I only bring it up because Trump, his media and sycophants , including his Jewish media and sycophants , are hammering Biden on his gaffe’s and mental health. It takes a great deal of chutzpah and hypocrisy for Trump to hammer Biden on an issue that he might also have. It is a greater act of willful blindness for his media and sycophants to only attack Biden for the issue but not Trump.

    #1898387
    jackk
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    N0mesorah, if it is true that a health risk does not bother you on Trump then it shouldn’t bother you regarding Biden.

    Syag, I am saying that he is cognitively sound now. I do not even know how you can deny it. For you to hypothesize that 7 months ago he was fine, but suddenly, he has gotten dementia, boggles my mind. He is on the media every single day. Maybe actually listen to him and not listen to Trump media which just points out his gaffes. He will debate Trump 3 times.

    “TDS” – Should I coin the term Biden Derangement Syndrome? Do you see how silly that is and that it doesn’t advance the argument? (Similar to people posting about democRATS. It shows that you need help making your point.)

    venezuela top line messages. What is your point? That he made another gaffe reading off a TelePrompter? Trump has 100’s of them. If it does not make a difference to you when Trump does it, stop pointing it out when Biden does. Wanting to make fun of Biden makes more sense to me than the belief that he has dementia. I listened to Rush after Bill Clinton won and he said that he was going to have fun the next four years on the radio. I was too naive then to realize that Rush’s goal was the EIB network making money and not America hearing the truth.

    Biden supporters do not live in la la land any more than Trump supporters. You are living in an echo chamber. I post to YWN so Trump supporters have to deal with other Jews with different viewpoints that forces them to think.

    I have friends that will listen to Rush for 3 hours a day and then Hannity and then The Great One. It lulls them into extreme close mindedness.
    Trump has been President for the past 4 years. If you can honestly say that American is better off than it was 4 years ago, vote for him. If you think the opposite, then do not vote for him.
    If you think Biden can help America become a better place, vote for him.
    But the narishkeit of Biden going through dementia is ridiculous.

    2scents, are you a Doctor that can confirm that when someone needs two hands to lift up a glass of water there is no concern?
    I did not say he had a stroke. If you can question Biden’s health, I can question Trump’s.

    #1898402
    2scents
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    Jackk

    “It takes a great deal of chutzpah and hypocrisy for Trump to hammer Biden on an issue that he might also have”

    a. The alleged condition that you brought up was for a CVA/TIA, not at all what is being pointed out on Biden.

    b. He might have, but also might not have, which as per your logic would make it OK for Trump to point it ou.

    c. You have not made a good case regarding Trump having a stroke, but for some reason you accept it as fact.

    d. I do not know what Biden has or not, but it is fact that he is not doing what presidential nominees usually do, he does not take random press questions, and appearances are limited to a very small number of people at a time. This is not how things are supposed to be done, and it does give the appearance as if they are hiding something.

    #1898415
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Jackk – he is not cognitively sound now. As an occupational therapist i have been trained to assess peoples cognitive, physical and emotional function. I will not say i would sign my name to it via a video assessment nor claim to know what’sbehind it., but i will say that im not “just saying it”. Ditto to 2scents’ response.

    Further, whats with the long winded response about rush Limbaugh. I dont listen to rush or anyone else. My comment to you was that pro trump people readily admit trump is a troll, moron, gaffe machine but it is irrelevant to our support of his action. Biden supporters, conversely, admit to nothing. Nothing.

    Here’s the best, “I post to YWN so Trump supporters have to deal with other Jews with different viewpoints that forces them to think.”

    If only you were here to listen as well as preach. If only you knew that we can’t open our mouths without cries of trumpkopf even when we are discussing the price of oranges. If only you were hear to let *all* jews learn to have conversations with eachother instead of just ‘presenting yourself’ so we can internalize it. But thanks for coming either way.

    #1898414
    2scents
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    Jackk

    “2scents, are you a Doctor that can confirm that when someone needs two hands to lift up a glass of water there is no concern?
    I did not say he had a stroke. If you can question Biden’s health, I can question Trump’s.”

    I would never use the argument of authority in a discussion, its silly and distracts from the actual argument.

    You made a statement about two incidents that are months apart and mean nothing. You are not questioning the president’s health, you are just making absurd statements without any basis.

    I am not questioning Bidens mental capacity, since we cannot evaluate him ourselves, it will all be subjective.

    The facts are that he is being controlled and not on the open, there are no free questioning and everything he does is carefully monitored. This is a deviation of normal practice and is concerning.

    That seems to be an objective observation.

    #1898412
    2scents
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    Jackk

    “N0mesorah, if it is true that a health risk does not bother you on Trump then it shouldn’t bother you regarding Biden”

    Different health concerns have different implications, cognitive issues will impede a president from doing his job the way he should.

    The same cannot be said for something such as high blood pressure or other chronic illnesses.

    A lot of people do not like Trump, but he does not have a cognitive issue.

    #1898475
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Jack,

    I do not think Biden has any serious health issues. Especially any cognitive disorders. He looks sharp to me. If a one liner that flops is a sign of dementia, than comedians are seriously risking their mental health. We should have the HHS ban all banter.

    #1898476
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Two,

    This is the way I understood these Biden video clips. If you like his message, than he sounds sharp, with a misspeak here or there. If you disagree with his message, than he sounds slightly of the whole time and incredulous when he slips up or slips in a dumb line.

    And he is still very humbled, and never frightened. Which is unlike all the people I have ever met with mental health problems.

    #1898481
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Syag,

    What did you think about his speech at the DNC?

    I agree with how inevitable it is that everything becomes about Trump. I am waiting for his appearance on the tzitzis thread. I try to see them as humorous, in an annoying sort of way. Either way, it should not be taken so seriously. (If the topic is not serious, than the Trump part of the thread is also not serious.)

    Trump was always a polarizing figure. I get that. He was a reality TV host. Why must Biden be made into a whole debate as well? He is as vanilla as major politicians come. Hearkens back to the old days when politics was boring. Just because he is not controversial, it does not mean that anyone is saying you have to vote for Biden. (A lack of controversy does not guarantee a qualified leader.) The talk about Trump as a person, should not be compared with Biden. It is as stupid as TDS.

    Now again, what do you think about Biden’s speech at the DNC?

    #1898505
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Didn’t hear it.

    #1898561
    jackk
    Participant

    Syag.

    My long post about Rush was a general observation. We all know that nobody is changing their opinions here and the arguing sometimes degrades into name calling .
    Maybe in the coffee room Trump supporters can read the opposing opinion, or facts, but all of the major frum publications and websites are completely supportive of anything that Trump does and attacking everything that the Democrats do.
    That creates a echo chamber. That is why the President loves to listen to Fox news and OANN.
    So when a very respectable Editor Binyamin Rose wrote in an Opinion Article titled , “Many Orthodox Jews support President Trump. I’m one of them — here’s why ” and gives the reasons that Orthodox Jews support Trump, it is hard to know whether the horse came before the cart or the cart came before the horse.

    If President Obama would be President today and over 185,000 Americans died from Covid19 , including many Frum Jews , would the following statement made by Rose be true – “Recent events have only solidified Trump’s standing, despite the coronavirus pandemic, which most Orthodox Jews view as primarily a health issue and not one that politicians can solve.”?

    I assume that Obama and any Democrat would be treated much differently.

    #1898595
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Jackk – 2 comments and both are my own personal opinions, not political conclusions.
    1. What i found sad was your desire to expose pro trumpers to your views, instead of a desire to have two way conversations.

    2. I disagree strongly on that covid point. I have been beyond baffled why dems keep touting dearhs as something politicians were supposed to stop, and don’t think anyone would have gonevthat route. I think, and im just trying to be realistic, not inflammatory (honest) that people who hate trump will find everuthing they can to be his fault. Even if it makes no medical or scientific sense . Just my thought.

    #1898644
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Jack, it goes both ways among Jews.

    (We are having an objectivity crisis. Nothing to do with Trump or Obama.)

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