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April 9, 2013 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #608911popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Because that’s how much you can learn during shachris.
My friend asked me a kasha: In Rav Meir Shapiro’s shul, you could probably learn 2 blatt during davening.
He also probably davened more though. So he could still only learn one.
And this is the raiah that we don’t go to mincha maariv.
April 9, 2013 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #943436WIYMemberPopa
Unlesz you are reviewing a daf you know well it is impossible to Daven and also learn a daf in those few moments that you have while waiting for the baal tefillah. P. S. You may not learn during chazaras hashatz. Its not called chazaras hashas.
April 9, 2013 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #943437xx ImpersonatorMemberIf you daven more, then you get a better head. So you could still cram in two hours’ worth into one. (Torasan mishtameres…) But then again, if you’re learning you’re not davening, so you don’t get that benefit.
April 9, 2013 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #943438HaLeiViParticipantWIY, the parts that get left over can be done during Lecha Dodi.
April 9, 2013 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #943439yanki613Memberwhy are u doing the daf during shacharis? Rav Shapiro would not approve ive been learning daf yomi now on my own since the siyum hashas and it has changed my life b”h
April 9, 2013 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #943440popa_bar_abbaParticipantthe parts that get left over can be done during Lecha Dodi.
If we’re counting shabbos davening, you can do like all 7 blatt.
April 9, 2013 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #943441YW Moderator-42ModeratorPopa, you can daven up the daf during psukei dzimra, just say baruch she’amar, ashrei, and yishtabach, and then you have a whole 3 minutes left while the rest of the people say the other stuff.
April 9, 2013 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #943442popa_bar_abbaParticipantthen when would I come late?
April 9, 2013 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #943443apushatayidParticipantyou could leave early
April 9, 2013 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #943444popa_bar_abbaParticipantP. S. You may not learn during chazaras hashatz
Popa, you can daven up the daf
As Mod 42 notes, it is considered davening.
April 9, 2013 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #943445HaLeiViParticipantBut the daytime Tefilos aren’t for Daf Yomi. People usually bring piles of other Sefarim to their place for that.
April 9, 2013 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #943446Sam2ParticipantWIY: It’s not clear that you can’t learn during Chazaras HaShatz. I think I’ve quoted Rav Weinberger on this here before.
April 9, 2013 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #943447HaLeiViParticipantSam, not with a Kol, since others will think you are talking and they will talk. It is also advised to focus on what the Baal Tefilla is saying.
August 9, 2020 1:23 am at 1:23 am #1890470popa_bar_abbaParticipantSee, it was all funny back in April 2013 that I was doing the daf during shachris. But now it’s August 2020 and I’m finishing my first cycle as a Daf Yomi Jew, this Monday, i”yh.
I started doing it during shachris daily, for a while I was doing it mostly catch-up on shabbos (so I guess more like 7 blatt a week than a daf a day), for a couple of years I was doing it during my daily commute, and during covid I’ve been doing it on a call at midnight with a couple of friends.
Full disclosure: It’s not a siyum on shas bec I missed some here and there. I didn’t even bother writing down when I skipped, because it was never going to matter (when I said hadran on eruvin, back in June 2013, I can assure you that I did not expect it to be b’alma hadein). But if you miss some, it doesn’t mean you’re off the program, as long as you pick it back up.
A week and half after we finished menachos, a fellow in my shul made a siyum and it was his first siyum on a mesechta. You think I’m nuts? This guy started the daf with menachos. He said at the kiddush that he had started when he saw me make a siyum on zevachim, and a few weeks in, his wife sees him learning and says whadaya doing. He says I’m doing the daf. She says is that today’s page? No, i’m 11 days behind. She says that’s not daf yomi, daf yomi is a daf a day. And this fellow says that’s why I’m making a siyum today because I’m still exactly 11 days behind.
That’s the trick-if you miss a day, the trick is that the next day you don’t try to do two blatt. You just stay a day behind until one day you have extra time and it’s easy to catch up. I’ve spent months behind by just a couple of blatt.
I came out of CRetirement to post this. I hope someone here will be inspired to pick up an eruvin on Tuesday, and join the PBA-machzor. You don’t need to finish shas, it’s just one page at a time, and deciding to learn eruvin isn’t a promise to do it forever. And i”yh we’ll bump this thread again on January 12, 2028 when we’re making a siyum on shas.
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August 9, 2020 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1890669n0mesorahParticipantDear Popa,
Mazel tov! I am inspired to start some other tractate on Tuesday. Being that I do Mincha/Maariv I guess I am require to daven two daf a day.
August 9, 2020 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1890683RebbuParticipantnebbuch!! learn like a mentsh!!
if you can skip bletter here and there?????August 9, 2020 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #1890687n0mesorahParticipantDear Rebbu,
Yeah, it is like first seder in any yeshiva.
August 11, 2020 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1891166charliehallParticipantMost yeshivot never teach more than a handful of masechtot. In daf yomi you learn the entire Bavli. Maybe not as in depth, but you can do a good job learning it if you are diligent. It is not clear that Chazal thought that one masechte was more important than any other so they would likely approve. I am now in cycle #3 for me. It gets easier each time through.
August 11, 2020 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #1891227Reb EliezerParticipantThe Maseches emanate from the six sedorim of mishnah, shas, making the acronym זמן נקט – זרעים, מועד, נשים, נזיקין, קדשים, טהרות teaching us to grab on to time and not to waste it.
August 11, 2020 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1891233Reb EliezerParticipantShekolim part of the Yerushalmi is included in the Daf Yomi as it reminds us of the Tamid requiring unity and the rebuilding of the Beis Hamikdash so everyone learning the same thing brings to unity.
August 11, 2020 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #1891322RebbuParticipantiyun is the ikkur!
we however can’t finish shas b’iyun and our goal is to do the best of our ability not to “read” shas getting the shidchiyos shebo and then forgetting itAugust 11, 2020 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1891334Reb EliezerParticipantRebbu, what do you with sinai veoker horim sinai adef, bekios is more important than beiyun? The reason is that bekios can destroy a whole building on a false foundation.
August 11, 2020 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1891336Reb EliezerParticipantShould be above, what do you do with sinai veoker horim sinai adef, bekios is more important than beiyun?
August 12, 2020 11:05 am at 11:05 am #1891432RebbuParticipantthe day yomi of today has no shaychis to sinai!!!!!
August 12, 2020 11:27 am at 11:27 am #1891438Reb EliezerParticipantRebbu, aderaba, the opposite is true. It is all for bekios.
August 13, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1891922n0mesorahParticipantDear Rebbu,
Why do you say iyun is the ikkur? I never met someone who learned real iyun who thought iyun is the ikkur.
What part of Torah has shaychus to Sinai? (I am not ch”v refuting anything. I doubt this question could be answered accurately without a lot of knowledge. You shlugged up yourself.)
August 13, 2020 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1891931Reb EliezerParticipantSinai (at the end of Horiyus) is equivalent to bekios.
November 10, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #2026580HaLeiViParticipantYou can do both. Like Popa bar Abba, I finished along with the thousands others in 2020, and decided to add Tosafos, so I just climbed out of Eiruvin. I doubt I’ll catch up this way but being up to date is not worth giving up Tosafos.
November 10, 2021 12:33 am at 12:33 am #2026591Little FroggieParticipantMazel Tov! Did you say …Abba Bar Popa…?
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