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    popa_bar_abba
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    No, I crossedover after the first perek. Its bec he’s been davening at places where it was hard to learn.

    Also, he’s up to 73 now

    #1001668

    HaLeiVi
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    What are you going to do when we get up to Rosh Hashana, you’ll Chazzer it with Tosafos and Rishonim?

    #1001669

    Sam2
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    Wait, I thought (assumed for no reason whatsoever) that PBA at least does Tosfos with Daf Yomi.

    #1001670

    popa_bar_abba
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    Nope, actually I do just the gemara, not even with rashi unless I don’t understand any pashut pshat in the step. I know I’m missing out on plenty, but it’s still fun.

    #1001671

    HaLeiVi
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    Do you have another Seder when you learn for real?

    #1001672

    popa_bar_abba
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    Hey hey, now we’re getting personal

    #1001673

    Sam2
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    PBA: Doesn’t R’ Moshe say you can’t even make a Siyum for that?

    #1001674

    popa_bar_abba
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    Who said anything about making a siyum? (I takka made one on eruvin, but haven’t gotten around to it for pesachim or shekalim).

    Where does he say that?

    #1001675

    Sam2
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    PBA: In a T’shuvah about Ta’anis Bechorim, I think.

    #1001676

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Ok, we’re going to have to talk about Rashi a lot so that popa has to learn it to keep up with us. Then he can make a siyum. Maybe even Tosafos, so he’ll have to make a real seder.

    {ducks}

    #1001677

    popa_bar_abba
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    ah. ok. Is there a yad moshe available online? Mine is at my parents’ house.

    #1001678

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Mine is at my parents’ house.

    So just go upstairs and get it.

    #1001679

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I looked up the teshuvah.

    As far as I can tell, it’s only a siyum on Chumash which requires that it was learned with Rashi.

    #1001680

    Sam2
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    DY: He doesn’t have a line in there that learning straight Gemara without any Peirush isn’t actually learning? I’ll try to find it when I have a chance, which might not be for a while.

    #1001681

    popa_bar_abba
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    I’m up to 79

    #1001682

    HaLeiVi
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    Popa, the Yad Moshe has a blog (that I don’t read).

    A Bochur once came to Reb Avraham Tropp (son of the Granatt) to be interviewed to join his Yeshiva. After saying a piece in the Gemara, Rav Tropp told the Bochur to say Rashi. The Bochur replied that he doesn’t do Rashi. In response, Rav Avraham chased him out of the Beis Medrash.

    #1001683

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1001684

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Who says popa’s a yeshiva bochur? I thought he said he left (I recall something about pounding spinach).

    #1001685

    popa_bar_abba
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    78b is the mekor that there is a din shloshim by marriage

    #1001686

    popa_bar_abba
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    I’m caught up.

    #1001687

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I’m very proud of you (and of myself, to be honest).

    #1001688

    popa_bar_abba
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    Sam, DY,

    I read the teshuva. It seems reasonable that the same standard should apply to gemara and torah–that is, I don’t see why you’d need a peirush to make a siyum on torah any more than on gemara.

    But I don’t even think he is saying you need a peirush to make a siyum on torah. I read that he is saying that if you teaching according to a peirush, it has to be from a legitimate one and not from the ones that are ?????.

    #1001689

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I think Torah shebichsav needs a pirush because without a pirush, it’s incomprehensible. With Torah sheba’al peh, if you understand pshat on a simple level, you do have something.

    #1001690

    Sam2
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    DY: I always thought the exact opposite. B”N I’ll go Mekoros-hunting if I have time tomorrow.

    #1001691

    HaLeiVi
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    Daas, that reminds me of my Cheshbon during a lazy stint: You can’t learn Gemara without Rashi, so if I understood the Gemara I must have been Mechaven to Rashi.

    #1001692

    oyyoyyoy
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    i think they say torah shebiksav without havanah is torah but torah shebaal peh isnt. cud be r elchanan in maamarim

    #1001693

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Sam and oyoyoy, yes, you get the mitzvah of Talmud Torah just by saying words of Torah shebichsav, mah she’ein kein TSB”P. I think that it does come out the opposite for a siyum, which, I see R’ Moshe holds, requires havana.

    Without a legitimate pirush, there’s no legitimate havana in TSB”C. Try learning the parsha of tefillin or ayin tachas ayin without TSB”P. We need to learn it with a solid mesorah based pirush

    In other words, Torah shebichsav needs Torah sheba’al peh. Gemara is already Torah sheba’al peh, and doesn’t inherently need a pirush.

    #1001694

    popa_bar_abba
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    i think they say torah shebiksav without havanah is torah but torah shebaal peh isnt. cud be r elchanan in maamarim

    I always took that to mean that if you read torah without having any idea what you are saying and what the words mean that it is learning, unlike gemara.

    I don’t think that means havana besides what the words are saying though.

    #1001695

    HaLeiVi
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    That’s from the Baal Hatanya, IIRC.

    #1001696

    oyyoyyoy
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    i hear. gedaynk nisht.

    #1001697

    Sam2
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    I couldn’t find it. I distinctly remember it though. Oh well. I’ll see it again if I ever Chazer everything.

    #1001698

    Josh31
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    We need to understand the impact of a Kohen Gadol not being able to do the Avodah on Yom Kippur.

    The similar situation nowadays (lehavdil, of course) is Peyton Manning coming down with a severe 24 hour “flu” this Sunday and his brother, Eli having to take over.

    #1001699

    Torah613Torah
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    What’s a din shloshim?

    #1001700

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I think popa was comparing marriage to aveilus.

    #1001702

    popa_bar_abba
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    Done. And you’re on.

    Sukka starting tomorrow.

    #1001703

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Aw, shucks. I was gonna call you a big fat jerk for not reminding me. Now you ruined it.

    Oh, and mazel tov.

    #1001704

    popa_bar_abba
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    I don’t get mazel tov, because of you big fat jerks. You don’t get a mazel tov for finishing the first perek of rosh hashana plus the second through eighth of yoma.

    #1001705

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Oh. I thought you did the first.

    .Any eight hour speech sessions coming up?

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