Why do anarchist movements have leaders?

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    If they’re promoting a lack of hierarchy shouldn’t they all be equals?

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Do they have leaders?

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    Oh, yes for sure. If you look up anarchist movements they all had leaders even though they did not formally recognize them. There was always the same few people getting up and leading meetings and most had one person who would give the final word for all group decisions.

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    Avi K
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    I have a friend who once said that he supported anarchism on condition that he be the Anarch. In any case, anarchism only seeks to eliminate the state. It does not necessarily eliminate other forms of authority. For example, anarcho-capitalists like Murray Rothbard think that insurance companies can do the job of protecting people from crime and volunteer militias from foreign invasions (of course, if there would be no states at all the latter would be irrelevant).

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    👑RebYidd23
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    That is not true anarchy.

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    gavriel613
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    They all hate the idea of leaders, but some lead in hatred of leaders. (as in some are more equal than others)

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    Avi K
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    RY, now you are posuling anarchists? Is there Open Anarchy and Ultra-Anarchy?

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    JJ2020
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    The same reason any other movements have leaders.

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    Doing my best
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    They’re crazy, you can’t question crazies.

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    That’s the shortsightedness of Marx, whose end goal is a are less, classless society. In order to achieve that, temporary leaders will be needed to lead overthrow the ones on top. However, human nature shows that man likes power.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    It wasn’t his fault that the real world didn’t agree with his science.

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    He’s one who should’ve kept his thoughts to himself. Gave Hitler more material to use against Jews.

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    Are Neturei karta anarchists in all but name?
    How about breslov

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    Or the Hilltop Youth?

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    It is Time for truth
    No. They recognise Palestinian sovereignty.

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    Avi K
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    1, actually in The Communist Manifesto Marx also predicted that the state will wither away. Rambam, at the end of Mishna Torah says that about the time of Mashiach

    ובאותו הזמן לא יהיה שם לא רעב ולא מלחמה ולא קנאה ותחרות שהטובה תהיה מושפעת הרבה וכל המעדנים מצויין כעפר ולא יהיה עסק כל העולם אלא לדעת את ה’ בלבד ולפיכך יהיו ישראל חכמים גדולים ויודעים דברים הסתומים וישיגו דעת בוראם כפי כח האדם שנאמר כי מלאה הארץ דעה את ה’ כמים לים מכסים

    Thus it would seem that there will be no need for states except perhaps as cultural groupings. However, until that time there will need to be states. How extensive depends on the moral level of the world and individual nations as the Netziv says ( He’emek Devar on Devarim 17:14):

    “ואמרת: אשימה עלי מלך” – אין הפירוש “אמירה” כמשמעו בפה, אלא כלשון (דברים יב כ): “ואמרת אוכלה בשר”וכדומה.

    אכן, לפי לשון זה היה במשמע שאין זה מצווה במוחלט למנות מלך אלא רשות, כמו ‘ואמרת אוכלה בשר’; והרי ידוע בדברי חז”ל דמצווה למנות מלך! ואם כן, למה כתיב ‘ואמרת’?

    ונראה, דמשום דהנהגת המדינה משתנה, אם מתנהג על פי דעת מלוכה או על פי דעת העם ונבחריהם, ויש מדינה שאינה יכולה לסבול דעת מלוכה, ויש מדינה שבלא מלך הרי היא כספינה בלי קברניט, ודבר זה אי אפשר לעשות על פי מצוות עשה, שהרי בעניין השייך להנהגת הכלל נוגע לסכנת נפשות שדוחה מצוות עשה, משום הכי לא אפשר לצוות בהחלט למנות מלך, כל זמן שלא עלה בהסכמת העם לסבול עול מלך, על פי שרואים מדינות אשר סביבותיהם מתנהגים בסדר יותר נכון, או אז מצוות עשה לסנהדרין למנות מלך

    It, while some of the Hilltop Youth are indeed anarchists (and, in fact, they are dropouts from the religious educational system) some allegedly want to overthrow the government and substitute a “Torah” kingdom (although so far as I know they have not decided which of them will be the King).

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