September 10, 2013 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #610565yusselgetzel149Member
its mamesh terrible i was talking to my brother in law who is a bachur in a local yeshiva and was mamesh smoking in my face i asked him what he does in yeshiva with his habit? he responded my yeshiva lets it. i was in shock we pay to tuition to let the yeshivas let our children kill themselves what is this world coming to.September 10, 2013 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #974236no1Member
its mamesh terrible i was talking to my brother in law who is a bachur in a local yeshiva
Where? What age, why were you talking to him if he is in yeshiva he should be learning.
and was mamesh smoking in my face
Like really blowing it in your face?
i asked him what he does in yeshiva with his habit?
he responded my yeshiva lets it.
Like it would make a diffrence if they banned it?
i was in shock we pay
you pay your Bil’s Tuition?
to tuition to let the yeshivas let our children kill themselves what is this world coming to.
what is it your business?September 10, 2013 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #974237yytzParticipant
You’re right! It might be because, even though dozens of major poskim have ruled smoking is assur, some poskim allow smoking because of a (empirically very dubious) claim that smoking causes less than a 50% chance of death from smoking-related diseases. I don’t see how such a consideration is relevant. Playing Russian Roulette only involves a 1/6th chance of death but no posek would allow that!September 10, 2013 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #974238ToiParticipant
usually the yeshivas that let smoking fall into two categories. either they are very yeshivish, and the result of banning smoking is having a 35 yo mashgiach having to nebach run around trying to bust guys, because no-one will care about any rules; or b. a yeshiva for bochurim that need a little more breathing room (pardon the pun) and have fared badly in the mainstream places. these guys cant deal with rules and people makng them nuts for what really isnt a big deal.
and keep the dumb “well, if their dead blah blah blah” answers to yourself. theyre dumb.
agav, most guys grow out of it.September 10, 2013 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #974239SecularFrummyMember
There is a difference between permitting it and encouraging it. The yeshiva is allowing the students to make decisions for themselves. Not every aspect of one’s life needs to be governed by yeshiva.September 10, 2013 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #974240TheGoqParticipant
The also serve alot of macaroni and cheese in Yeshivos.September 10, 2013 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #974241Mr SfardiParticipant
It’s not that they allow it. I’m sure that most of them officially don’t allow it. It’s just that they can’t do anything about it. There’s a limit to what they are able to enforce.September 10, 2013 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #974242oomisParticipant
Ya got MY vote!September 10, 2013 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #974243oy1Member
I agree with SecularFrummy,
Kids who will grow up into adults need to start taking ownership of their actions.
If you choose to smoke it’s your choice, as with everything else in life.
The more we educate kids to make smart decisions; the more we will trust our kids!!September 10, 2013 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #974244steven2Member
Yep, exactly, not that smoking should be allowed, the bochurim have to make that decision for themselves.September 11, 2013 11:41 am at 11:41 am #974245eclipseMember
Snuck back in (tho I resolved not til after Sukkos) to set the record straight.The mesivta/bais medrash several of my boys attend have strongly enforced No Smoking from the very beginning. If you are caught with a cigarette you are literally suspended. And you don’t come back “like it’s nothing”,either!September 11, 2013 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #974246ToiParticipant
eclipse- are your kids harrys?September 11, 2013 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #974249truthsharerMember
As long as they don’t wear colored shirts, the decision is up to them.September 11, 2013 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #974250WIYMember
The problem is that parents give kids enough money to buy cigs. They are $10 a pack now. A serious smoker needs at least $50-$60 a week to feed his habit. Even a casual smoker will need about $30. This is all extra spending money that the parents are giving the kids. There are so many stupid Frum parents out there. It may sound harsh but I think many parents do what’s called stupid chinuch. They enable their children to do everything wrong (spoil them with money and electronics) and then wonder why their kids don’t turn out that well. Hmm. Maybe don’t spoil them rotten?!September 11, 2013 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #974251LevAryehMember
Why do colleges allow smoking?September 11, 2013 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #974252Bookworm120Participant
@The Goq – IMHO, it’s much better to get addicted to mac ‘n’ cheese than smoking. I hope the day poskim declare mac ‘n’ cheese ossur never comes!September 11, 2013 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #974253apushatayidParticipant
Troll.September 11, 2013 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #974254supermeMember
Many don’tSeptember 12, 2013 3:20 am at 3:20 am #974255eclipseMember
Toi: Interesting question….If “Harry” is derogatory in any way, which it seems, then the answer is a resounding no!
Whatever else I’m tempted to reply, I won’t.
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