February 9, 2020 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1830217
So to answer ubiq’s question
Let’s open a new thread.February 9, 2020 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1830311
He’s been very good to the Jews.
The economy is doing well.
His administration has handled foreign policy well.February 9, 2020 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1830301
“So to answer ubiq’s question”
I know why people support him. That was not my question at allFebruary 9, 2020 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1830302
My question there was (and I’m paraphrasing) :
If you don’t like Trump’s character, are you disappointed that the party didnt’ nominate someone else.
the answers I got were interesting. I will keep that there since I don’t want ot hijack your thread.
But my question was not “why do you support Trump”February 9, 2020 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1830300
The Democrats are worse. Their policies would undermine democracy world wide, let the Russians, Chinese and ISIS have a free-hand, lead to a nuclear war in Eretz Yisrael, destroy the American economy and tolerate or encourage persecution of frum Jews both in America and elsewhere.
And note that I am basically a neo-con, opposed in theory to zionism, opposed to budget deficits, for free trade and for liberal immigration
If a Democrat in the tradition of people such as John Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, Joseph Lieberman, Harry Truman or Skip Jackson ran, I would switch back to the Democrats.February 9, 2020 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #1830332
I don’t support Trump willingly, but he is being fed and housed on my tax dollars.February 9, 2020 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #1830345
It’s not hijacking, thanks for clarifying.
I want to see what people sayFebruary 9, 2020 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1830343
CTLawyer: Not just him. As the media reported on Friday, his Mar a Lago club was charging the secret service agents who protect him and his mishpacha the bargain rate of $650/night. And don’t cry “fake news”. The DHS itself (in which SS is housed) released photocopies of the actual receipts in response to a FOIA. request. Trumpkopf Jr. had previously insisted that they were only charging the government “their cost”. Azoy.February 9, 2020 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1830349
“let the Russians, Chinese and ISIS have a free-hand”
” lead to a nuclear war in Eretz Yisrael”
“encourage persecution of frum Jews both in America and elsewhere”
I must give you credit, your Rabbeim teach you well for what you say is in fact Gog Umagog itself.
Especially when Barack Obama is Gog Himself and was the Democratic President pushing for everything you wrote.
Yeshar Koach.February 10, 2020 6:54 am at 6:54 am #1830380
You have to respect his level of trolling.February 10, 2020 6:55 am at 6:55 am #1830383
Recognizing Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. Supporting annexation of settlements. Getting tough with the Fakestinians. Appointing conservative judges.February 10, 2020 10:00 am at 10:00 am #1830426
Ever wonder if these policies of his are politically motivated to buy your votes and curry favor with organisations like AIPAC?
Unfortunately, he seems to have a history of making politically motivated foreign policy decisions rather than motivated by national interests.
In a similar vein, his presidential pardons show a pattern of political motivation. So whilst historically presidents would avoid pardoning their allies; (Bill Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich, was a massive controversy), Trump has pardoned Conrad Black (Billionaire and author of a book called “Donald J. Trump: A president like no other.”) Dinesh D’Souza, Joe Arpaio, Patrick J. Nolan…
Just look at how many Yidden support Trump simply because he pardoned Rubashkin.February 10, 2020 10:04 am at 10:04 am #1830427
I believe the Level of deep support for trump by his supporters without almost any level of detraction due to his numerous and glaring personal shortcomings, comes from the fact that for far too long the average thinking person had had his thoughts squelched and even criminalized on the blues of p.c.
We watch left wing politicians say things which never mind that they are not even in the same orbit as fact, they don’t even make sense!!!
Two men can get married to each other
Gender is fluid
Women get paid less FOR EQUAL RESULTS
Dysfunctional family life has no bearing on academic success
(these are just examples)
And on and on
Plus the onerous laws and fees that we pay to support someone else’s pet projects
”going green ” (changing light bulbs from cheap incandescent which work to the ”just option de Jour ”
Banning styrofoam, plastic bags, large Soda,
Penalizing success with higher taxes while rewarding delinquency with programs for criminals
Thought police, can’t say Islamic terror, inner city crime, just goes on and on.
And then along came Trump.
If opened his mouth
Announced from the rooftops ”the emperor has no clothes!! ”
Crime is actually the fault of the criminals
Merciful policies for criminals need to take law abiding citizens lives into account too
And on and on
It’s like the pressure cooker has been opened. Normal people feel like there is actually someone in a position to do something who gets it .
They have a voice.
Someone who will stand up to the garbage that’s been thrown in their faces and wallets for so long.
Do they care about his personal flaws?
Do they even see them???
When someone has been held hostage for years, does he notice if his savior has body odor????
He is so happy to be let free he will hug the man without even noticing the odor. And his now powerless Captor will be standing on the side trying to dampen The enthusiasm by saying, why you hugging that guy? Don’t you realize how awful he smells?
All that that would do is serve as a reminder as to who the bad guy really is and make the captive hug him tighter.
That in my opinion is the secret to trumps deep support and why the dems current efforts will only hurt themselves (so I say let them keep going)
And that also answers ubiqs question, I think. Which is why In my mind my op was correct.
Sorry ubiq it wasn’t on purposeFebruary 10, 2020 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1830441
I like this thread – don’t really care who started it or why. I believe people support Trump because:
He doesn’t bash America or Americans – he seems to like the country and care about its citizens and most of his policies and their effects reflect that
His policies up until the big deal have served Israel well
He’s blunt, funny, and although he lies like all politicians, it seems he believes his untruths, unlike politicians who don’t believe their own lies but demand that you believe their every lying utterance
If Democrats can convince Americans that they have better domestic and foreign policies that will benefit them financially, improve the economy even more, provide better trade deals and security – Well, speak up!
As far as character goes, he’s quite a character. Seriously, we look to our clergy, religious texts , and fellow members of our religion for lessons in morality. If you’ve read any of the biographies of past presidents, many if not most, were not very moral in their personal lives. It is a shameful reality.February 10, 2020 10:34 am at 10:34 am #1830445
sorry to burst your bubble but you aren’t saying any chidushim, all that has been said over and over for the past 3 years and 4 months or so
you say “Do they care about his personal flaws? Do they even see them???”
Thus my question “If you don’t like Trump’s character, are you disappointed that the party didn’t’ nominate someone else.” doesnt apply to you . You don’t even see his character flaws . So my question doesn’t start .
I see reason to support Trump, I for one support him for his support for Israel (the comment “Ever wonder if these policies of his are politically motivated to buy your votes and curry favor with organisations like AIPAC?” is silly, of course it is, but so what?) however I think his negatives far far far outweigh his positives. A debate that frankly doesn’t really interest me . Because I think reasonable people can disagree on that point.
Some might support him for his bullying, they like bullies or his denigrating of those he disagrees with , or any number of reasons or ” he says things like they are” (a strange comment regarding a President who brings lying to whole new levels #alternativefacts)
I get all that. That was never my question, why would anyone support Trump.
However there are people, who say they DON’t like those character traits of his (again not you) to THEM I ask are you dissapointed that someone else wasn’t nominated .
Some Like joseph, said yes they would have preferred Pence but are stuck with Trump so will vote for him over any Democrat. Again, I get that. (though it says something about the Republican party if this is their position )
Others say well we need Trump because a “nice” Republican wouldn’t win . So these people are a bit confused. Becasue they DO like Trumps’s “despicable mannerism” and they specificly want that in their candidate. Yet claim they are voting in spite of it , this is the stance that puzzles meFebruary 10, 2020 10:48 am at 10:48 am #1830449
because he is currently the duly elected president of the country.February 10, 2020 11:41 am at 11:41 am #1830457
I think your playing word games here
Like the question he you love fish why do you eat it
They like trumps flaws using form a of the word like, and you want them to explain themselves utilizing form b me the same wordFebruary 10, 2020 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #1830460
I applaud the government pushing for getting rid of incandescents. For one, it gave us the Shabbos Lamp. Two, I find LEDs so much better and surprisingly cheaper since they don’t need to be changed every other month.February 10, 2020 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #1830462
lower, I must like him because he is a duly elected president of the country where Hillary won the popular vote and the Russians might have interfered in three states?February 10, 2020 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #1830463
Not at all.
Let’s take this slow.
The premise is: trump is a mean spirited bully.
Nobody here is disputing that point.
Some, like you , say I don’t care.
Others like Joseph say I wish the republicans put up someone better.
Others say that’s what makes him a good candidate we need a bully to win.
For that last group to say oh but I wish he had better manners. Doesn’t make sense to meFebruary 10, 2020 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1830468
I was the one who used the words “despicable mannerisms” so I’m assuming that you’re at least partially referring to me.
I didn’t vote in the past presidential election because I couldn’t choose who was worse.
For the coming election, I would vote for trump out of hakaras hatov for what he has done for Israel and rubashkin but I would do so holding my nose because he is a jerk. Furthermore, his policies seem more likely to improve my life whereas the Democrats policies are not in my best interests. Also, what kluger said about being PC and the left trying to take away our free speech for the sake of grown up babies, shows that the Democrats are bullying you and me.February 10, 2020 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1830486
There is a very interesting OP-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal. It posits that much of Trump’s behaviour are carefully planned MacGuffins. A Macguffin is a plot device, used often by Alfred Hitchcock, inserted into a movie/play to distract the viewer from what was actually going on.
For example, the day before Trump changed the asylum policy for immigrants, he triggered the media and the Democrats with some ridiculous tweets. They were so busy reacting that the policy change announcement was virtually ignored. They are so busy being triggered that Trump’s appointment of 189 judges and repeal of countless bureaucratic regulations have gone under the radar and unnoticed and unreported.February 10, 2020 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1830526
On your last post
AgreedFebruary 10, 2020 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #1830571
I didn’t appreciate how he reacted to being acquitted. I guess the fight will go on!February 10, 2020 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1830625
Trump should have responded, as indicated on the other thread, I should have been clear in my intentions that I will not be misunderstood, and my letter was not really perfect.February 10, 2020 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #1830630
Trump is best President Jews ever had.February 10, 2020 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1830644
musserzoger, zog musser for yourself. Is that why we have more antisemitism in America than ever?February 10, 2020 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1830646February 11, 2020 7:33 am at 7:33 am #1830690
Reb Eli , Trump is president…
He isnt G-d. Trump cant solve anti-semitism.
But he is best President since Reagan. And a friend of Jews.February 11, 2020 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1830747
Have you ever heard of Oorah? They have a mascot which is a 5 dollar bill and they call him fiveish (5ish)February 11, 2020 9:43 am at 9:43 am #1830745
Eli, Trump is the legitimate president. Who got more votes is completely irrelevant, and what do you mean by Russians interfering in three states? The only way Russia participated in the election is by releasing TRUE information so the voters were better informed, and by buying a tiny handful of Facebook ads. Neither of these things can possibly affect the result’s legitimacy.February 11, 2020 9:48 am at 9:48 am #1830742
Eli (I refuse to call you “Reb”), the rise in antisemitism is all coming from Trump’s enemies. Because the Democratic Party tolerates antisemitism, while the Republican Party does not. There are no open antisemites in the GOP; any that are discovered are kicked out. But in the Democrats they are honored and powerful, and those who don’t like it are very careful not to offend them. So naturally their supporters feel free to lash out, while pointing figures at a bogeyman called “white supremacy” which just barely exists.
To the original question, Trump is not a good person. If being a good person were a requirement for being president I would have to oppose him. But he has been a good president over all. I didn’t support him in the Republican primary four years ago. My choices were Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Perry. But all three crashed. In November I didn’t vote for either major candidate, and I expected Trump to be just as bad as Clinton would have been. I have been very pleasantly surprised, and I intend to vote for him this year. On the other hand, if something were to happen to him I think Pence would be a much better president; he would have all of Trump’s maalos and none of his chesronos.February 11, 2020 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #1830774
Milhouse, someone who had great rebbis can call himself a talmid chacham, talmid mechacham. I think I deserve the title Reb being of age, 72 years old. When people call others on the their first name, they are encouraging the coming of Meshiach who will come when the young have no respect of the old. Trump did not speak out on Charlottsville thereby encouraging antisemitism by giving the white supremacists a springboard for their cause as trump is their advocate. When the chacham in the Haggadah uses a similar expression as the rasha, says the Chasan Sofer, he does that with cleverness as it draws out the rasha to reveal himself by saying to the chacham, you are a rasha, I am also a rasha. The white supremacists are saying to trump, you are one of us.February 11, 2020 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1830828
Trump. The “very stable genius l” who once gave this speech:
“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us”.February 11, 2020 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #1830993
@1- u nailed it! im gonna have to agree w ur answer. stop looking for problems and notice all the good President Trump has done. no one is perfect but at least he’s trying hard and actually accomplishing useful things which make sense.February 16, 2020 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1832170
And that’s why he is hatedFebruary 18, 2020 7:16 am at 7:16 am #1832706
Trump has never encouraged white supremacists, let alone antisemites. He did very clearly denounce the neo-nazis who were involved in the Charlottesville riot, while making it clear that they were not the only ones there, just as the left-wing thugs who were actually responsible for the violence were not the only ones there. Which is of course nothing but the truth, that edited like you deny.
Most of the white supremacists seem to hate Trump and publicly denounce him as a Jew-lover. But if some claim he is on their side, this does not create any obligation on him to address that absurd claim.
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