August 2, 2011 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #598368yummy cupcakeMember
????????? i mean, i guess its extra schar for us, since we have such a ta’avah to listen to it, but we don’t click it. for every second we can hold back we get schar, right? is that why you mods don’t turn off the music? 🙂August 2, 2011 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #793925yeshivaguy45Participant
It’s probably just too hard to change the flow from going off to going on in 3 weeks time. It’s easier for one continuos flowAugust 2, 2011 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #793926deiyezoogerMember
We had the same question during sfirah, Its the same reason why it works on shabbos (I beleive aldough I didnt try) because as long you dont put it on its not a problem.August 2, 2011 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #793927yummy cupcakeMember
i figured that, but it can’t be that difficult! i was hoping someone would say my original answer was right. 🙂August 2, 2011 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #793928
All the above answers can be correct, but, it is also possible that ywn checked, and could not find anywhere in halacha where it says that there is a distinction to be made between the three weeks/sefirah and the rest of the year, in regards to music.
But if you find one, please let me knowAugust 2, 2011 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #793929
What do you mean no distinction? Are you referring to the fact that music is assur the rest of the year? Because even so there is a stronger issur during the three weeks. you want a mekor?
The aruch hashulchan 493:4 nogea sefira ????? ????? ?????, ?? ?? ???????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???. ??? ????? ????? ????, ??? ?????? ??????, ????? ??? ??????? ???????.
All the following poskim all say that recoreded music is no less than a kli shir.
Igros Moshe OC 1:166,3:87, MInchas Yitzchok 1:111, Yechave da’as 3:30, and Igros moshe Yoreh deah 2:137 assures a kli shir even when in the house and is not gorem simchah. (look in the Minchas yitzchok who says minhag tov kneder vassur lifrotz geder)
The shibolei leket 8: 127, Oz nidberu 8:58 And the Tzitz Eliezer 15:33 Ashrei Ha’ish (rav elyashiv) in hilchos Bein hamtzarim and I believe in Halichos shlomo in hilchos sefira all say this includes Acapella.August 3, 2011 12:35 am at 12:35 am #793930
Chacham i tried to answer, but i think that it got deleted. Oh well.August 3, 2011 12:37 am at 12:37 am #793931
Chacham – Just know that there is a respected conteparary posek who argues with that aruch hashulchan.August 3, 2011 2:31 am at 2:31 am #793932
” and could not find anywhere in halacha where it says that there is a distinction to be made between the three weeks/sefirah”
I think I answered you on that and showed you a few mareh mekomos in halacha. Now I have a question for you, I can not find anywhere in halacha that is mattir. Who is this respectable rav? And how come every time someone has a psak from a daas yochid against rov haposkim come from an anonymous name? And how come an anonymous name is enough to make as if there is no inyan at all?
also i think I left out a few mareh mekomos. The Magen avraham 558:1 , and the mishna berura 558:2 also mentions kli shir. Also the pri megadim (aishel avraham) 558:10 talks about the issur of a kli negina ( not in a case of rikud) and so does the Derech hachaim in hilchos bein hamtzarim sif 1 , The biur halacha 551:2 dh ummatim, shu”t chaim sheal siman 21, maharam shik yd 268 butchachersof siman 552 and the shevet halevi 2:57 8:127. and in haaros from rav elyashiv on gittin daf 7. kovetz halachos bein hamtzarim perek 4 etc. so i think it is a generally accepted halacha.August 3, 2011 4:16 am at 4:16 am #793933
Chacham – rov haposkim? Rav Moshe in igros moshe says that there is no difference between sefirah and the rest of the year in regards to music.
It is possible that this posek was only talking about sefirah. Whereas all of your mekoros are for bein hametzarim. I can’t remember now.
btw, do you use otzar hachochmah?August 3, 2011 4:26 am at 4:26 am #793934
Rav Moshe in igros moshe says that there is no difference between sefirah and the rest of the year in regards to music.
Is that not because Rav Moshe is machmir against music equally the whole time? Which means Rav Moshe too, like all the numerous poskim cited by Chacham, says no music during the 3 weeks.August 3, 2011 5:24 am at 5:24 am #793935
i said that there is no distinction between the three weeks and the rest of the year. I worded it like this deliberately. Rav Moshe supports this.
If ywn plays music the rest of the year, this means that they for whatever reason do not take on the chumrah of Rav Moshe not to play music the whole year. Thus, it is possible to understand why ywn would continue to play music during the three weeks. Because there is no special issur on music during the three weeks. (again, this might only apply to sefirah. see the tshuvah to be sure)
(btw Hacham, why did you choose a name that is so easily confused with another user. Or were you first?)August 3, 2011 5:39 am at 5:39 am #793936
What you are saying makes no sense. No one (cited yet) holds you can play music all year including the 3 weeks. Rav Moshe said all year no. And the many poskim Chacham cited said all year yes, but the three weeks no. So everyone said no during the 3 weeks.August 3, 2011 5:50 am at 5:50 am #793937
Hacham, you are forgetting that everything i say is supposed to be inverted thrice. Do that, and see if it helps any.
Good luck, and have a wonderful night!August 3, 2011 5:54 am at 5:54 am #793938
The bottom line is you must admit you have no halachic source (presented) allowing music in the 3 weeks.August 3, 2011 6:59 am at 6:59 am #793939
hacham save it for January. That’s when Troll Awards are. Your efforts are being wasted here, im afraid.
(“Bottom line”, “must admit”. LOL classic troll)
But maybe you can be commended for a good attempt at trolling?
Not sure how that works. Anyway, in the future, always keep in mind what i said – invert thrice, spin the dice, catch some mice, eat some rice.
You can put it to a tune, and sing it if you want.
Meanwhile i am looking forward to blasting it tomorrow…. catch ya later!August 3, 2011 7:41 am at 7:41 am #793940
Hacham im looking forward to blasting it tomorrow, just for you! Doubly as loud, to make up for your loss of music (klal yisroel is all like one) :pAugust 3, 2011 7:42 am at 7:42 am #793941
Mods, it is ok to troll a troll. you should know that!
I would happily explain to you how i know for sure that he is trolling, if there would be some method of communicating with you privately.
Anyway, if there is anything that you want to say to me, you can head over to my thread “Question about the “no prying” rule” which has low traffic, and i have been using for this purpose.
Good night, and happy modding!August 3, 2011 9:18 am at 9:18 am #793943
wow, approved after like two hours of deliberationAugust 3, 2011 9:28 am at 9:28 am #793944
do not confuse with ‘eat some lice’.
Because that is from another song.August 3, 2011 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #793945zahavasdadParticipant
Does YWN operate 24/7
Id guess that it does as I assume some users are in Israel and some maybe even in Australia, but certainly in the US so some can use it when others cant
It might be more difficult if not impossible to shut down YWN radio without disabling the entire website.August 3, 2011 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #793946
No, it is not otzar hachochma, mostly piskei teshuvos and a sefer called kovetz halachos.August 3, 2011 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #793947
And I was before hacham by a few years just I mostly post during bein hazmanim.
Also about reb moshe issur on music all year round, reb moshe has a limud zchus over there, that does not apply all year round.
Also in my first post over here I asked you if this is what you meant by no distinction?August 3, 2011 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #793948emanParticipant
Some answers remind me of my high school days. We asked our Rebbe if we can go to the movies during sefirah and he said we’re allowed to go just like the rest of the year.
We went.August 4, 2011 12:39 am at 12:39 am #793950
quarl, look at the last line of igros 166 that even though it is assur all year round, but during bein hamtzarim it is more chamur. So lkulei alma the ywn radio should not be on.August 4, 2011 6:51 am at 6:51 am #793951
Chacham, i explained what i meant with ‘no distinction’ in another post, but for some odd reason it got deleted. Perhaps i will try to post it again, later.
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