August 10, 2016 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1164903
zahavasdad – their are yeshivish people who drive. you dont have to be mo to drive. and mo is nothing like reform.August 10, 2016 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1164904
many Chaddish women dont drive.
But I think you missed the point, there are things that are really takanas not Halachas and they do drive people away. We are not supposed to veer from the torah from the left or the right. People have no problem not veering to the left, but the veer to the right all the time and sometimes too muchAugust 10, 2016 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1164905
There are such TakanasAugust 10, 2016 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #1164906
One of the problems today is we want to understand the why….when we say ani mamin we say we beleive …not we understand..and thats the difference between jews and non jews…non jews will do what has meaning for them what they understand..but with us jewish people one of our greatness is we beleif… if we do or dont understand…we follow the tora because Hashem says, I dont have to understand the why…an example look at our forfathers abraham ,he had 10 major nisyounas ,he had a lot of questions especialy when he was told to bring his son for a sacrafice…but..his greatness was ..he did not understand..and didnt ask questions..and just went to do hashems wish…how beautiful was this in hashems eyes that till today we still cherish that zachis…let his zachis help us we should beable to withstand our nisyonas in our days..ameinAugust 10, 2016 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1164907
zahavasdad – which is why they get stranded at walmart and have either me or some other nice frum girl come get them. they better get themselves a license and car.August 10, 2016 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1164908
Sparky: “lilmod ulelamaid – if you knew what i go thru and i still am frum and what i went thru and still am frum than you wouldnt say well they have issues and so on believe me i know MANY girls who went otd who had much better lives than me.”
Sparky, you don’t really know that they had better lives than you. There are so many things you can’t and don’t know. There are so many factors involved. Also, even if they had better lives than you, they may have been faced with nisyonos that you weren’t.August 11, 2016 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1164909
lilmod ulelamaid – i still doubt it.August 11, 2016 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1164910
“Al tadun es chaveircha ad shetagia l’mkomo”August 11, 2016 12:46 am at 12:46 am #1164911
I dont know if this person went OTD or not , but I know of someone who was beaten and neglected by their mother and now lives in a Foster Home.August 11, 2016 12:47 am at 12:47 am #1164912
lilmod ulelamaid – okay. but im just saying that if that person actually believed in Hashem then they wouldnt have gone otd.August 11, 2016 1:00 am at 1:00 am #1164913apushatayidParticipant
I’ve seen it. Several times. Often accompanied by the line “dyslexics of the world, untie”.August 11, 2016 1:39 am at 1:39 am #1164914
sparkly.. I beleive you went through the worst that you can imagine..it must of been the impossible…but one thing for sure be PROUD of yourself that you passed or are still passing your nisoin and you stayed close to hashem!!!!you shall be the one to cherish one day your rewards…hashem knows every ones challanges every ones thoughts every split secound …and nothing stays in vain…hashem is close to the ones that are close to him especialy in times of challange…just keep it up and be strong…August 11, 2016 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1164915
Sparkly, I know people who believe in Hashem and are OTD. They want to come back and many do.
At the same time, I second Absan’s post. Yasher Koach to you for staying Frum! The harder your challenges were, the greater your reward will be. And the reward is unbelievably great to begin with even w/o challenges!!!August 11, 2016 2:07 am at 2:07 am #1164916
absan – amen i actually still am in the nisayon unfortunately. i dont think ill be out of the nisayon till im like at least 30.August 11, 2016 2:51 am at 2:51 am #1164917LightbriteParticipant
Some people stay frum because of all the challenging nisayons they have been through. Holding onto their yiddishkeit gives their struggle meaning.August 11, 2016 2:56 am at 2:56 am #1164918
lightbrite – some people its because they have such strong emunah in Hashem.August 11, 2016 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #1164919
the truth…we cant take a breath without hashems wish…so how is it possible to turn away from the one who gives you life …August 11, 2016 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1164920
absan – finally someone realized what i was trying to say….August 12, 2016 1:06 am at 1:06 am #1164921
oh! thank you Sparkly feel free anytime…August 12, 2016 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1164922
absan – no problem.August 12, 2016 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1164923JosephParticipant
So this Nishma that did this so-called survey discussed in the OP, is effectively an agent of Footsteps ym’s. Today Nishma shot out an e-mail as follows:
We are reaching out to you because, as a participant earlier this year in the “Survey of Those Who are Questioning, Leaving, or Have Left an Orthodox Community,” you indicated your willingness to take part in additional research.
We would like to invite you to participate in a quick (5 to 7 minutes) survey. One area the earlier survey explored related to the support people found when they left their community of origin, or were considering it. Footsteps is exploring ways to better serve this population, and that’s where you can provide additional information about your experience.
This survey is being administered by Nishma Research and your individual responses will not be shared with Footsteps.
Then as you start taking Nishma’s new survey it advises you that:
Footsteps supports individuals who are contemplating leaving, insular ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in their quest to lead self-determined lives.
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