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    Chabadshlucha
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    A question I’ve had for some time. I for one am a big fan of nature. Nature is after a series of miracles which seem predictable due to past history. I had a hard time understanding why people are more grateful for miracles.

    For example my neighbours young son had open heart surgery, we all said tehillim, and it went much smoother than the doctors had anticipated. He recovered in record time etc. Wow a miracle! Well I for one am much more grateful that my son doesn’t need open heart surgery bh bh and I thank Hashem for our health everyday.

    I much prefer the months we get paid our salary than the months we don’t and then pay our rent through miracles.

    Anyone relate?

    #1639915

    Takes2-2tango
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    Ask rubashkin about his ” miracle”.
    He even refers to himself as “ball haness”

    #1639912

    laskern
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    A miracle where its probability of hapenning is practically infinitesimal shows the love Hashem has for his children the Bnei Yisroel to change the nature for willing to serve Him diligently. The gemora says on the man who was able to nurse how ugly it is that the nature was changed for him, so normally Hashem does not change the nature.

    #1639872

    ubiquitin
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    I don’t understand the question

    “I much prefer the months we get paid our salary than the months we don’t and then pay our rent through miracles.”

    do you think anyone disagrees?

    #1639945

    laskern
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    The gemorah Taanis 24a where the father was upset on his son for asking figs before its time because he was matriach Hashem for something unnecessary, therefore we are only permitted to daven for something necessary. That is the reason that the man above was degraded for the miracle of nursing because it really was not required as it could have been done by a woman.
    Over here by the oil, they showed their love to Hashem not to rely on impure oil, so He also showed his love to them by creating the miracle. Therefore, we follow the mehadrin min hamehadrin which we usually don’t do.

    #1639948

    Chabadshlucha
    Participant

    Sorry op should have read *after all

    #1639949

    Chabadshlucha
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    Ubiquitin no but it seems there is such an excitement and appreciation for miracles when my gut reaction is please don’t make me need one, and if I do cvs, then I’ll be happy to take one as second best, not first.

    But this chanuka, thinking about it some more I think I understand now whats so great about miracles. But I wanted to hear your thoughts.

    #1640051

    ubiquitin
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    CS

    i’m not following.
    “there is such an excitement and appreciation for miracles when my gut reaction is please don’t make me need one,”
    right, but if a person needs one he/she is happy to have been helped.
    To use your example your neighbor is happy his son’s surgery went well.

    shouldn’t he be?

    when he says shevach for the refuah, do yo uthink a more appropriate response from him/her would be “Ribono shel olam, I’m disjointed that my son needed surgery but oh well I guess thanks for making him better?”

    I assure you he isnt excited that he needed that miracle I really don’t understand what you are saying

    #1641069

    Chabadshlucha
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    Ubiquitin of course he should be. And I was happy as well. But it’s very different than heart felt gratitude. For awhile whenever I experienced a miracle a cynical voice in my head would say why be overly grateful when He put you in that situation to begin with? And then I’d respond that the hard situation was really a chessed because of aveiros I did in this gilgul or others, and then the voice again “Yeah but He didn’t have to create you this way with a yetzer hara and all… So that’s also His fault.”

    So it was hard for me to wholeheartedly be grateful for miracles. And knowing the Rubashkins, when I would think about sholom mordechai sitting in jail I would get so upset because let’s say he did get out of jail in a miraculous way. He still sat there away from his family for x years. Why is that fair when they’re such good people?

    You get me ubiquitin? I’m finally able to fully appreciate miracles but I wanted to share why its a chiddush for me, and hear if it’s a chiddush bichlal or for others they knew the idea all along…

    #1641106

    ubiquitin
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    “You get me ubiquitin? ”

    No, but thats ok. I don’t think I will get it.

    #1641181

    Chabadshlucha
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    OK. Just to clarify, I didn’t share why I do appreciate miracles now, just why I didn’t as much beforehand.

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