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jewishfeminist02- someone actually explained that one to me once, and now it makes perfect sense. It means you want to eat the cake and still have it after you ate it.
This thread is getting boring.
And so not fun!
-just wait for the (boring) grammatical expositions on that line-
Suggestion- Let’s delete everything & go back to the beginning.
nfgo3 had the absolute best comment ever.
Let’s take it from there.
“jewishfeminist02- someone actually explained that one to me once, and now it makes perfect sense. It means you want to eat the cake and still have it after you ate it.”
Yes, that’s correct! But did you know that the correct way to say it is “eat your cake and have it too”, NOT “have your cake and eat it too”?
Otherwise it would make no sense.
Wait, we dont LEARN english gramner here in english….and they make it SOOO CONFUSING past-pasr and past-future and past-present….oy vey! I learned how to talk in english, and if you guyz get this, then im fine.
I dont mind haifagirl cept when she “harasses” me (mod-73 youll get that)
For example “throwe your father out the window a towel”
jewishfeminist02: Yeah- that’s another one I didn’t figure out til way later and once I did, it was like, “wow, it actually makes sense now!”
Haifagirl- if I want to say “everyone has to know themself” is themself one or two words? I always thought it was one but autocorrect changes it to two. Thanks!
For example “throwe your father out the window a towel”
Haifagirl- if I want to say “everyone has to know themself” is themself one or two words? I always thought it was one but autocorrect changes it to two. Thanks!
Thank you for asking. I really admire people who want to learn more rather than keep making the same mistakes repeatedly.
Autocorrect is correct. Them and self are each separate words. Themselves is one word and is used for plurals.
Example: They didn’t hire movers, they moved everything themselves.
However, everyone is a singular word, so it requires a singular pronoun. What you mean to say is, “Everyone has to know himself.”
If you want to recast the sentence using gender-neutral language, try “All people have to know themselves.”
Haifagirl, (your name should be capitalized). I’m not sure about this, but don’t periods go outside parentheses?
One Rebbi thought he had a good chiasmus: “Say what you mean; Don’t mean what you say”. Why not?
Probably it is supposed to be: Say what you mean; don’t mean to say.
Thats true, i hate when things arent capitalized! It drives me crazy!!!!!!! Now someone is gonna quote me on something that wasnt capatolized….I mean generally names or things that start a post of a thread…..ESSPECIALLY usernames…..good thing there’s no capitalization in hebrew! 🙂
In general, names are capitalized. However, a name is a personal thing, and if a person chooses not to capitalize his name, that is his prerogative. Just ask e.e. cummings.
Periods go inside the parentheses if there is a complete sentence inside the parentheses. If the parenthetical remark is part of a larger sentence, the period goes outside.
Interesting fact: Parentheses means a pair of those things. One is called a parenthesis.
Playtime-
what does wrong grammar have to do with being yeshivish?
I know plenty of people who are not yeshivish who don’t have proper grammar and also visa versa.
And whats with bashing yeshivish people, anyways?
I can’t believe this one was not mentioned yet.
It always bothers me when people say
“Brother-in-laws” and “sister-in-laws”
Instead of:
Brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.
This thread should be officially dedicated to Haifagirl!!
Enjoy the nachas, haifa!!
Thanks haifagirl!
Wow…i didnt get quoted… a miricle I think
I can’t believe this one was not mentioned yet.
It always bothers me when people say
“Brother-in-laws” and “sister-in-laws”
Instead of:
Brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.
As you can imagine, that one drives me crazy, too.
How about “my sister, she…” Also makes me nuts!
How does your sister also make you nuts?
Haha this thread is awesome! Haifagirl-you’re really entertaining. You should be my grammar teacher. I’d never get bored! Ok, so this one isn’t so much as a yiddishism-I’ve heard it mostly from Syrians. Adding “but” to the end of sentences for no reason. I overheard “I LOOOOOVE this skirt but” in Junee. BUT what???? It’s not even as if they end the sentence with a questioning tone of voice or anything. It’s a statement!
DY- are you joking or serious?
Serious question- why do chasidim continue to hold on to the (seemingly incorrect) pronunciation of Hebrew words (I.e. choosid vs chasid)?
It sometimes alters the meaning of some words in Torah and tefila to make no sense in the proper pronunciation…. I know changing with the times is not exactly the chassidish forte, but perhaps this is an area in which globalization can play a positive role in the evolution of Hebrew pronouncination.
Serious question- why do chasidim continue to hold on to the (seemingly incorrect) pronunciation of Hebrew words (I.e. choosid vs chasid)?
You mean, “Vayehi beemay Achashverosh HEE Achashverosh . . .”
Exactly what I mean. Only it wouldn’t be achashverosh… I think it would be Uchushvayrish
From a different thread:
My parents didn’t yell at her and then got mad at my wife and I for yelling at her.
Here’s the rule:
Take the other person out of the sentence.
Would you say, “My parents . . . got mad at I”? Of course you wouldn’t! Just because you add another person into the sentence doesn’t change you from an object to a subject. You should have said, “My parents . . . got made at my wife and me . . . .”
Ya, the only reason i know that is cuz i read the idiots guide to grammar once.
If i really wanted, i could speak like you….ok, not exactly but….more like you
If i really wanted, i could speak like you
So the question is, why don’t you want to? The choice is sound like an intelligent person or sound like an ignorant person. It would seem to me the choice is obvious.
It’s time for some grammar lessons.
You were absolutely right in everything you said. Thank you.
Why all the furrowed foreheads? As long as HaShem understands us…
This is an amazing thread! I am planning on reading the idiots guide to grammar.
How about when people talk about conversations they had and they say “I was like…and she was like…” What’s wrong with good old I said, she said?
I had a non Jewish co-worker who’s every second word was ‘like’. A typical sentence from him: “So like we should like do like this like” NO exaggeration! I was so surprised – I thought ‘like’ was a frum thing, but he was way worse than any BY girl I’ve ever heard!
“a pencil, you have?”
Toi
That’s yoda-ish
It’s raining?
Instead of: Is it raining outside?
WIY- not in beis medrash its not. its yeshivish, but.
The two things I hear a lot are:
“You want?” This is as opposed to “Would you like this *insert thing here*?”
“Does your mommy let?” This is as opposed to “Does your mommy allow you to do this?”
I don’t know if I should bother correcting people when I hear this. Conversely, I can barely get by in Yiddish, so who am I to judge?
By the way, I’ve made such an effort to not say “I’m eating by the So-and-so’s this Shabbos.” I now say “I’m eating with…” because this thread has enlightened me. 🙂
@dotnetter – I had a conversation with someone and it went something like this.
Person: So she and I got into this huge argument….
Me: Uh-huh.
Person: And she was like, “Whatever.” And I was like, “What-EVER!” And then she went, “wutever.”
Me: *nodding head sympathetically* Yup. Okay.
“And I’m TELLING you…”
Straight out of Bais Yaakov, complete with emphatic hand gestures.
Exactly! 😀 And this isn’t limited to Yeshivish people sometimes either…. If I ever do a comedy skit, I just might include a lot of these as examples.
dotnetter, it’s whose, not who’s
This Rosh Hashana, I overheard someone say, “We’re eating by the … family.” I had to hold back from flying right up to their face and correcting them. (No, don’t take that literally – I’m not Tinkerbell. I wear ossur items like denim skirts, quite unlike Tinkerbell.)
Something every kid says is, “That’s my best _____!”
No, small child. You didn’t make any cookies, and that isn’t your best cookie. It’s your favorite cookie. You also can’t speak English, so I won’t be giving you any cookies.
what makes me grit my teeth is when people say: what am I meant to do with this? OR How are we meant to do this assignment?
its SUPPOSED TO!!!!!! grrrrr
Only G-d knows what is “meant” to be
@live right – so true! 😀
Mods: I think we’ve gotten to the point where we aren’t talking exclusively about Yeshivish people, rather people in general. So that nobody reading this forms a negative impression of Yeshivish Jewry, might you consider changing the thread’s title to something along the lines of “Why Do People Speak This Way?”
Thank you, mods!
Bump.
What about “They don’t have what to eat”? That’s another syntax sin I hear every now and then.
lol – found this thread entertaining and fascinating. Can you believe some people don’t know the difference between your and you’re? Their so annoying.
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