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    jewishfeminist02- someone actually explained that one to me once, and now it makes perfect sense. It means you want to eat the cake and still have it after you ate it.

    #1008363
    golfer
    Participant

    This thread is getting boring.

    And so not fun!

    -just wait for the (boring) grammatical expositions on that line-

    Suggestion- Let’s delete everything & go back to the beginning.

    nfgo3 had the absolute best comment ever.

    Let’s take it from there.

    #1008364

    “jewishfeminist02- someone actually explained that one to me once, and now it makes perfect sense. It means you want to eat the cake and still have it after you ate it.”

    Yes, that’s correct! But did you know that the correct way to say it is “eat your cake and have it too”, NOT “have your cake and eat it too”?

    Otherwise it would make no sense.

    #1008365

    Wait, we dont LEARN english gramner here in english….and they make it SOOO CONFUSING past-pasr and past-future and past-present….oy vey! I learned how to talk in english, and if you guyz get this, then im fine.

    I dont mind haifagirl cept when she “harasses” me (mod-73 youll get that)

    #1008366
    Moishi13
    Member

    For example “throwe your father out the window a towel”

    #1008367
    writersoul
    Member

    jewishfeminist02: Yeah- that’s another one I didn’t figure out til way later and once I did, it was like, “wow, it actually makes sense now!”

    #1008368
    fkelly
    Member

    Haifagirl- if I want to say “everyone has to know themself” is themself one or two words? I always thought it was one but autocorrect changes it to two. Thanks!

    #1008369
    Moishi13
    Member

    For example “throwe your father out the window a towel”

    #1008370
    haifagirl
    Participant

    Haifagirl- if I want to say “everyone has to know themself” is themself one or two words? I always thought it was one but autocorrect changes it to two. Thanks!

    Thank you for asking. I really admire people who want to learn more rather than keep making the same mistakes repeatedly.

    Autocorrect is correct. Them and self are each separate words. Themselves is one word and is used for plurals.

    Example: They didn’t hire movers, they moved everything themselves.

    However, everyone is a singular word, so it requires a singular pronoun. What you mean to say is, “Everyone has to know himself.”

    If you want to recast the sentence using gender-neutral language, try “All people have to know themselves.”

    #1008371
    Curiosity
    Participant

    Haifagirl, (your name should be capitalized). I’m not sure about this, but don’t periods go outside parentheses?

    #1008372
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    One Rebbi thought he had a good chiasmus: “Say what you mean; Don’t mean what you say”. Why not?

    Probably it is supposed to be: Say what you mean; don’t mean to say.

    #1008373

    Thats true, i hate when things arent capitalized! It drives me crazy!!!!!!! Now someone is gonna quote me on something that wasnt capatolized….I mean generally names or things that start a post of a thread…..ESSPECIALLY usernames…..good thing there’s no capitalization in hebrew! ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1008374
    haifagirl
    Participant

    In general, names are capitalized. However, a name is a personal thing, and if a person chooses not to capitalize his name, that is his prerogative. Just ask e.e. cummings.

    Periods go inside the parentheses if there is a complete sentence inside the parentheses. If the parenthetical remark is part of a larger sentence, the period goes outside.

    Interesting fact: Parentheses means a pair of those things. One is called a parenthesis.

    #1008375
    batseven
    Participant

    Playtime-

    what does wrong grammar have to do with being yeshivish?

    I know plenty of people who are not yeshivish who don’t have proper grammar and also visa versa.

    And whats with bashing yeshivish people, anyways?

    #1008376
    sharp
    Member

    I can’t believe this one was not mentioned yet.

    It always bothers me when people say

    “Brother-in-laws” and “sister-in-laws”

    Instead of:

    Brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.

    #1008377
    sharp
    Member

    This thread should be officially dedicated to Haifagirl!!

    Enjoy the nachas, haifa!!

    #1008378
    fkelly
    Member

    Thanks haifagirl!

    #1008379

    Wow…i didnt get quoted… a miricle I think

    #1008380
    haifagirl
    Participant

    I can’t believe this one was not mentioned yet.

    It always bothers me when people say

    “Brother-in-laws” and “sister-in-laws”

    Instead of:

    Brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.

    As you can imagine, that one drives me crazy, too.

    #1008381
    fkelly
    Member

    How about “my sister, she…” Also makes me nuts!

    #1008382

    How does your sister also make you nuts?

    #1008383
    Ayayashreichem24
    Participant

    Haha this thread is awesome! Haifagirl-you’re really entertaining. You should be my grammar teacher. I’d never get bored! Ok, so this one isn’t so much as a yiddishism-I’ve heard it mostly from Syrians. Adding “but” to the end of sentences for no reason. I overheard “I LOOOOOVE this skirt but” in Junee. BUT what???? It’s not even as if they end the sentence with a questioning tone of voice or anything. It’s a statement!

    #1008384
    fkelly
    Member

    DY- are you joking or serious?

    #1008385
    E-O-M
    Participant

    Serious question- why do chasidim continue to hold on to the (seemingly incorrect) pronunciation of Hebrew words (I.e. choosid vs chasid)?

    It sometimes alters the meaning of some words in Torah and tefila to make no sense in the proper pronunciation…. I know changing with the times is not exactly the chassidish forte, but perhaps this is an area in which globalization can play a positive role in the evolution of Hebrew pronouncination.

    #1008386
    haifagirl
    Participant

    Serious question- why do chasidim continue to hold on to the (seemingly incorrect) pronunciation of Hebrew words (I.e. choosid vs chasid)?

    You mean, “Vayehi beemay Achashverosh HEE Achashverosh . . .”

    #1008387
    E-O-M
    Participant

    Exactly what I mean. Only it wouldn’t be achashverosh… I think it would be Uchushvayrish

    #1008388
    haifagirl
    Participant

    From a different thread:

    My parents didn’t yell at her and then got mad at my wife and I for yelling at her.

    Here’s the rule:

    Take the other person out of the sentence.

    Would you say, “My parents . . . got mad at I”? Of course you wouldn’t! Just because you add another person into the sentence doesn’t change you from an object to a subject. You should have said, “My parents . . . got made at my wife and me . . . .”

    #1008389

    Ya, the only reason i know that is cuz i read the idiots guide to grammar once.

    If i really wanted, i could speak like you….ok, not exactly but….more like you

    #1008390
    haifagirl
    Participant

    If i really wanted, i could speak like you

    So the question is, why don’t you want to? The choice is sound like an intelligent person or sound like an ignorant person. It would seem to me the choice is obvious.

    #1008391
    playtime
    Member

    haifagirl- So the question is, why don’t you want to? The choice is sound like an intelligent person or sound like an ignorant person. It would seem to me the choice is obvious.

    It’s time for some grammar lessons.

    In your first sentence although the comma is fairly acceptable, it should be replaced by a colon. Also, in order for your statement to be more pointed, it should be changed to this:- So then the question is: why don’t you want to? Clarity is key.

    Next.

    The choice is sound like an intelligent person or sound like an ignorant person.

    This sentence connotes grammatical ignorance of the greatest measures, and should warrant the immediate revocation of your grammar-policing badge. It is incorrect and redundant.

    Here are two correct versions of your sentence:

    The choice is: sound like an intelligent person, or sound like an ignorant one.

    Or,

    The choice is to sound like an intelligent person, or to sound like an ignorant one.

    Next.

    It would seem to me the choice is obvious.

    Your third sentence makes a different meaning of ‘choice’ than the second. You shoul have written:

    It would seem to me the answer is obvious.

    Sincerely yours,

    playtime,

    in defense of Shopping613

    #1008392
    haifagirl
    Participant

    It’s time for some grammar lessons.

    You were absolutely right in everything you said. Thank you.

    #1008393
    JustHavingFun
    Participant

    Why all the furrowed foreheads? As long as HaShem understands us…

    #1008394
    the-art-of-moi
    Participant

    This is an amazing thread! I am planning on reading the idiots guide to grammar.

    #1008395
    dotnetter
    Member

    How about when people talk about conversations they had and they say “I was like…and she was like…” What’s wrong with good old I said, she said?

    I had a non Jewish co-worker who’s every second word was ‘like’. A typical sentence from him: “So like we should like do like this like” NO exaggeration! I was so surprised – I thought ‘like’ was a frum thing, but he was way worse than any BY girl I’ve ever heard!

    #1008396
    Toi
    Participant

    “a pencil, you have?”

    #1008397
    WIY
    Member

    Toi

    That’s yoda-ish

    #1008398
    sharp
    Member

    It’s raining?

    Instead of: Is it raining outside?

    #1008399
    Toi
    Participant

    WIY- not in beis medrash its not. its yeshivish, but.

    #1008400
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    The two things I hear a lot are:

    “You want?” This is as opposed to “Would you like this *insert thing here*?”

    “Does your mommy let?” This is as opposed to “Does your mommy allow you to do this?”

    I don’t know if I should bother correcting people when I hear this. Conversely, I can barely get by in Yiddish, so who am I to judge?

    By the way, I’ve made such an effort to not say “I’m eating by the So-and-so’s this Shabbos.” I now say “I’m eating with…” because this thread has enlightened me. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1008401
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    @dotnetter – I had a conversation with someone and it went something like this.

    Person: So she and I got into this huge argument….

    Me: Uh-huh.

    Person: And she was like, “Whatever.” And I was like, “What-EVER!” And then she went, “wutever.”

    Me: *nodding head sympathetically* Yup. Okay.

    #1008402

    “And I’m TELLING you…”

    Straight out of Bais Yaakov, complete with emphatic hand gestures.

    #1008403
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    Exactly! ๐Ÿ˜€ And this isn’t limited to Yeshivish people sometimes either…. If I ever do a comedy skit, I just might include a lot of these as examples.

    #1008404
    notasheep
    Member

    dotnetter, it’s whose, not who’s

    #1008405
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    This Rosh Hashana, I overheard someone say, “We’re eating by the … family.” I had to hold back from flying right up to their face and correcting them. (No, don’t take that literally – I’m not Tinkerbell. I wear ossur items like denim skirts, quite unlike Tinkerbell.)

    #1008406
    LevAryeh
    Member

    Something every kid says is, “That’s my best _____!”

    No, small child. You didn’t make any cookies, and that isn’t your best cookie. It’s your favorite cookie. You also can’t speak English, so I won’t be giving you any cookies.

    #1008407
    live right
    Member

    what makes me grit my teeth is when people say: what am I meant to do with this? OR How are we meant to do this assignment?

    its SUPPOSED TO!!!!!! grrrrr

    Only G-d knows what is “meant” to be

    #1008408
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    @live right – so true! ๐Ÿ˜€

    Mods: I think we’ve gotten to the point where we aren’t talking exclusively about Yeshivish people, rather people in general. So that nobody reading this forms a negative impression of Yeshivish Jewry, might you consider changing the thread’s title to something along the lines of “Why Do People Speak This Way?”

    #1008409
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    Thank you, mods!

    #1008410
    Bookworm120
    Participant

    Bump.

    What about “They don’t have what to eat”? That’s another syntax sin I hear every now and then.

    #1008411
    streekgeek
    Participant

    lol – found this thread entertaining and fascinating. Can you believe some people don’t know the difference between your and you’re? Their so annoying.

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