Why Your Grandchildren will be Eating Pork if They are not Vegetarians

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    yitayningwut
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    What does this have to do with us? Simple. As with every other new thing, there will be a disagreement among the rabbis. Some rabbis will argue that in vitro meat is prohibited if it does not originate from a properly slaughtered kosher animal, and others will argue that anything grown merely from cell tissue is not Halachically considered meat.

    Therefore, as I see it, in 50 years from now your average observant Jew will either be a vegetarian, or will be consuming pork on a regular basis.

    #889758

    choppy
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    We didn’t give up Bris Milah under the Soviets. And we won’t give it up under Bloomberg. Nor will we give up shechita.

    #889759

    Avi K
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    1. There is no power to make new gezerot in our time.

    2. Rav Yosef Albo says (Sefer HaIkarim) that the Dor HaMabul’s basic mistake was thinking that because they had to be vegetarians they were on the same level as the animals and should therefore act accordingly. Thus, the children of Noach were explicitly allowed to eat meat. Rav Kook also says that vegetarianism is not for our time but only after Mashiach comes.

    3. There already is “kosher pork”.

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    oomis
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    OY, I am getting SUCH a headache!!!!!!

    #889761

    Sam2
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    Choppy: That is a nice statement, but it didn’t really address his point.

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    avi e
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    Or we will get a heimishe company to make in vitro meat from a properly shechted, kosher animal, and go on living as before.

    #889763

    LosAngelesZaidy
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    OY!! We will never eat TREIF! What a silly post!!!

    #889764

    Curiosity
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    I hate the animal rights loonies.

    #889765

    Too many unknown variables. I ain’t going to lose any sleep over it at the moment.

    The theoretical halachic side to it is very interesting, though.

    #889766

    yitayningwut
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    The point of this post was not to comment on whether or not in vitro meat is kosher or on whether vegetarianism is a vice or a virtue. The point of this post was to note – in a a half serious, half tongue-in-cheek fashion – certain sociological factors and patterns that exist within our communities, and an interesting (to me at least) effect they might have.

    #889767

    popa_bar_abba
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    yireh li, that most people will claim it doesn’t taste as good, and will still eat real meat.

    #889768

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Popa – Maybe, but I think what people don’t really get about this is that it IS real meat! They’re actually growing the meat from cells in the muscle tissue. It’s not artificial.

    #889769

    popa_bar_abba
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    true true. but, it won’t have the same blood in it, and people say that meat tastes different depending on what the animal ate also, so there seem to be nuances beyond the cell structure.

    #889770

    popa_bar_abba
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    also, I’ll be happy enough to have frum grandchildren. I won’t care if they eat brussel sprouts as cholent.

    #889771

    Tnewman
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    Laboratory grown meat is not now and will not be cost effective to produce compared to growing meat live on the hoof. The lab procedure is a G-dsend (literally) for burn victims but don’t expect to replace ranches with vats. You have a rhetorical discussion. Nothing more.

    #889772

    yaakov doe
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    Why would we it it, instead of cholunt, kigel, herring and kishka as we have for generations?

    Sushi is bad enough, but man made pork is going too far!

    #889773

    “Laboratory grown meat is not now and will not be cost effective”

    I believe the same thing was said about cell phones.

    #889774

    Well, i know who will be eating the pork, as long as all the ingredients on the label look kosher

    #889775

    yitayningwut
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    Yaakov doe – why not try a new delicacy lekavod shabbos? I can even hear people taynehing that this is a fulfillment of the midrash that says pig will be kosher in the future.

    Abba murray – lol

    #889776

    @abba Murray: And I know who will be peering at it with a microscope, hoping to find bugs.

    #889777

    Showjoe
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    i know someone who eats candy that has pig gelatin in it (Sfara being its from pig bones not pig meat)

    #889778

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Showjoe – So do I.

    #889779

    WolfishMusings
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    Undoubtedly, we all eat food that contains atoms that were once part of something unkosher.

    The Wolf

    #889780

    HaLeiVi
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    Hayotze Min Hatamei Tammei, so I can’t really imagine anyone serious being Mattir something grown from Treifa meat.

    As to Popa’s Taana, I think that even more than the nuances is the texture. By just growing cells it won’t be a steak. If they will want to duplicate a real piece of meat they’ll have to intersperse different cells. That will definitely be artificial. It will probably do well as a cold cut.

    #889781

    twisted
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    There is a deah in the Rishonim that the pig is named chazir because it will revert to being kosher (chozer ltohorso) in future times, so 50 years, maybe. tzipisah l’yeshua?

    #889782

    WolfishMusings
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    There is a deah in the Rishonim that the pig is named chazir because it will revert to being kosher (chozer ltohorso) in future times, so 50 years, maybe. tzipisah l’yeshua?

    Whenever anyone mentions this, I am reminded of Harry Turtledove’s short story “The R-Strain.”

    The Wolf

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