November 28, 2017 11:23 am at 11:23 am #1413884Little FroggieParticipant
Sorry I didin’t get back to you earlier. I am SO BAD with names and stories. The names pop out almost as fast as I read / hear them.
The story with the three ztaddikim on the rooftop (maybe it was an attic?) – one of the was the holy Chozeh of Lublin. He fell out of a tiny window on Simchas Torah, hurt himself badly, and was niftar from his injuries on Tisha Ba’av. There were two others… <<OUT OF MEMORY>>November 28, 2017 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #1414057
I think the other two were Rav MM of Rimonov and the Avodas Yisrael of Koshnitz.November 28, 2017 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #1414064Little FroggieParticipant
Thank youNovember 28, 2017 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #1414798chabadgalParticipant
I didnt read all the comments, so i apologize if this was already said- but the reason we dont have a new rebbe after the rebbe isnt because he has no children. Its because there is no one to be rebbe. Most communities ‘elect’ their leader. But a rebbe cannot be elected. Its who he is.November 28, 2017 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #1414803WolfishMusingsParticipant
Sorry for misunderstanding. My comments were not directed at you,
No problem. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
(As an aside, this is why I always either quote what I am responding to or address the person I’m responding to by name.)
The WolfNovember 28, 2017 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #14148102scentsParticipant
What do you mean by “who he is” ?November 28, 2017 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #1414823MenoParticipant
But a rebbe cannot be elected. Its who he is.
Maybe I’m the rebbe. How would I know?November 28, 2017 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1414828☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Maybe I’m the rebbe. How would I know?
We’re you on the ballot?November 28, 2017 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1414829☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Most communities ‘elect’ their leader. But a rebbe cannot be elected. Its who he is.
How did the Rebbe become Rebbe?November 28, 2017 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #1414882LubavitcherParticipant
The rebbe refused to become rebbe. It took a ful year for the rebbe to accept upon himself the niseis. And how did he accept the niseis? By sayin the maamer Basi Legani.(note there are multiple Basi leganis)November 28, 2017 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #1414903
“How did the Rebbe become Rebbe?”
He was unofficially elected. It was the will Of The People
Interesting, there is a responsum in תשו דברי חיים where he differentiates between a Rav and an Admor. He says Rabonus is possible by inheritance, if the son is worthy, then he is first on the line…Whereas a rebbe is not so, as a rebbe has no official authority other than the people hanging around him. Thus it is strictly and entirely up to the will of the people .November 30, 2017 8:17 am at 8:17 am #1415833assurnetParticipant
If the Rebbe declared himself to be mashiach, could we entertain the fact he made a mistake? Even Rebbe Akiva who had a mistaken hava amina that Bar Kochba was the mashiach? Rebbe Nachman zt”l spoke about how even the biggest tzadikim can make mistakes. He himself told one of chassidim who was wearing a certain coat that he would greet the mashiach in that coat. At a later date he said mashiach’s arrival wouldn’t take place for at least another 100 years. That same chassid asked, “But Rebbe – you told me I would greet mashiach in this coat!” Rebbe Nachman replied, “That’s what I said then, this is what I’m saying now”.
Maybe the Rebbe will have techiat hametim and be mashiach, but until that point in time comes the fact remains that up until now he hasn’t fulfilled the requirements the Rambam listed to qualify as mashiach so why does that make him any better a candidate than any other niftar tzadik? If I remember correctly, when the gemara speaks about the possibility of mashiach being from among those already dead it says if it is so then it would be Daniel hanavi. So if we want to talk about candidates from among the dead shouldn’t we give preference to the one the gemara itself listed?
All the above is assuming the Lubavitcher Rebbe did indeed proclaim himself to be the mashiach. I’ve heard a lot of spiritual algebra that he said so (the nasi hador is the mashiach and the rebbe was nasi hador so x+y = z) however are there any sources the pro Rebbe is mashiach camp can provide us where he straight up said it (i.e. a mamar written somewhere or a video recording of him saying so). Like not just people singing it and him smiling at them but he himself actually saying it b’ferush?December 1, 2017 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1416869
“spiritual algebra ”
Great description, Assur! 🙂
It is indeed sad and comical how the mindset of these Meshichists work. They use the sort of logic that you would never ever apply to any other halacha, but when it comes to a an ultra sensitive Yesod like Moshiach everything goes.
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