December 5, 2021 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #2038288eidelmeidelParticipant
The Hasc Concert tickets are currently five hundred bucks at cheapest.
i cant afford this i really wanna go.
will they have cheaper tickets later on?December 5, 2021 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #2038326
Hopefully, they can sell out all the tickets at $500…..Camp HASC is one of the most unique mosdos doing incredible work with both children and adults with special needs, intellectual and physical disabilities. The more money they raise, the more they can expand and sustain their programs.December 5, 2021 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #2038331
Sometimes, these concerts set aside some tickets for students but generally they first try to sell as many as possible at the higher “fundraising prices”.December 5, 2021 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #2038332
Do what Hillel did — climb on the roof and listen in for free.December 6, 2021 5:50 am at 5:50 am #2038355
Torah learning should be free, but you need to pay for music.December 6, 2021 7:38 am at 7:38 am #2038403
Then how do people charge for Shiurim (as they did in Hillel’s time)? And how was Hillel allowed to try to bypass the fee?
Halachicly, anyone able to listen to a voice/sound isn’t obligated to pay for hearing it.December 6, 2021 9:45 am at 9:45 am #2038432RebYid613Participant
I performed in the hasc concert 2 years ago!December 6, 2021 9:46 am at 9:46 am #2038436GoldilocksParticipant
Ujm, perhaps, but anyone has the right to charge admission for entering their property.
If I hold a concert or Torah class on my property or on a property that I am currently renting, I’m allowed to charge an entry fee.
Anyone sneaking onto the premises without paying is guilty of theft.
If someone would to find a space on public property that’s close enough for them to hear the class or concert, they would be allowed to stand there and enjoy without paying.December 6, 2021 11:24 am at 11:24 am #2038447CTRebbeParticipant
Who says you are halachically allowed to attend a live concert?
Did anyone notice the connection between this post and the complaint about the $111 dozen donuts?
Concerts and super luxury donuts are not a right for every person. We have a nation of “haves” and “have nots” which is nothing new. The problem we have as a society is when the have nots think they are entitled to everything that the wealthy have too. Although certain activities may have been more available to everybody a few years ago, perhaps this is G-d’s way of telling you that “you don’t really need this”December 6, 2021 11:25 am at 11:25 am #2038464commonsaychelParticipant
I like traveling in first class but I can’t afford it so I dontDecember 6, 2021 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #2038480
Halachicly, anyone able to listen to a voice/sound isn’t obligated to pay for hearing it.
And we learn this from the fact that last summer a well known chashuve Rav in Washington D.C. tweeted a photo of himself and some of his talmidim watching the world series champions Washington Nats from the upper deck of his condo which had great views into nationals park to watch the heilege Dr. Anthony Fauci throw out the first pitch. It was discussed at the time that there was no inyan of ganavah since the building was clearly constructed with direct views over center field. (Note: Both the baseball field and the condo were built and owned by two of the most well known yiddeshe families in Washington).December 6, 2021 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #2038687daastorahnotdaasbaalhabatimParticipant
Start singing yourself, epes, if you need, hire a voice coach, and lemayseh, within a few months, with the eibishters help you could be getting into the concerts for free .December 6, 2021 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #2038702
Gadol, how about hezek reya? Don’t look at neighbor’s field! Bava BasraDecember 6, 2021 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #2038803
“How about hezek reya”
AAQ. I’ll certainly defer to your familiarity with the gemorah in Bava Basra but my vague recollection is that the issue was not entirely clear as to whether ‘gazing’ on to your neighbor’s property and activities is to be considered is a real hezek and was assur or whether there had to be some real physical damage to trigger compensation or whether the concept was more applicable to private activities undertaken by your neighbor which if witnessed by others could cause an ’embarrassment’ (a component in determining compensation for injuries). I thought that halacha put the obligation for building a wall or some physical barrier was derived from a socialized obligation to avoid real physical damages in common areas for the common good. A clear, line-of-sight view from one neighbor’s property to another doesn’t obligate either to block their view of the other but certainly each has the option of doing so to the extent they wish to protect their privacy.
When the Lerner family built the Nationals Stadium, they left a portion of the center field wall open knowing that new condos in the neighborhood would have a view of the playing field. I believe the gemorah contemplated tha if one neighbor repeatedly performs activities without active protest from the other neighbor ( a form of chezkat tashmishin?) Would chezkat tashmishin apply to gazing rights? I have no clue but perhaps there was an implicit waiver of any rights to seek damages since the Rav living in the condo had no obligation to close his window blinds and block his view anytime the Nats were playing a home game. I could see a potential haalachic issue (along with an obvious tort under civil law) if he publicly advertised tickets to sit in his living or on his balcony to watch the Nats game.December 6, 2021 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #2038820
Jews are halachicly obligated to protect their own home’s privacy and to not invade others privacyDecember 6, 2021 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #2038841
Gadol, it was tongue in cheek somewhat, as we refer here to the “field”. Field differs from the yard, I recall, as it is where someone business (literally) grows, so it is subject to “ayn hara”. I don’t know whether this applies to profits from selling stadium seats.
as to the stam wall between 2 properties, things are opposite to what you are saying: if you live above/opposite me, I can force YOU to build a wall to not look at me.
your Rav seem to be concerned with the real issue here – not hezek reya, but benefiting for free from viewing the game. At Chafetz Chaim level who would tear a stamp when sending a letter outside of official mail, he should pay for whatever he would otherwise spent on tickets. If I were there, I would certainly be allowed to watch – as I don’t care at all and the stadium owner is not losing money by me watching it. More likely, I’ll force him to put the wall back to prevent noise and hezek reya from stadium into my home.December 6, 2021 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #2038844
ujm, – in the opposite order, though! That is Gadol’s obligation to not see me precedes my obligation to protect myself. If he fails in his obligation, I then have to protect myself and sue him to get my money back. Right?December 7, 2021 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #2039124yiddeshekup101Participant
The have and have nots extend to many areas. Personally, there are a number of shabbos events (Agudah Convention just for an example. There are at least two more in the next few weeks) I would love to attend. But by the cost for a family of 4 is $1500+. For one Shabbos!
The event would be amazing and a great benefit for all. But only a $elect few can go. Yes, I am envious but completely understanding.
Siyum Hashaas, sat way up high. Better than not being there. Shabbos too much $$
I will wait for the CD/DVD of the concert. Hope HASC makes money from the sale.December 7, 2021 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #2039182
“if you live above/opposite me, I can force YOU to build a wall to not look at me..”
AAQ: Stipulating that under no circumstances would I willingly WANT to look at you, could you clarify your assertion and perhaps include some source. Specifically, I have lived in my hillside home for decades and paid a premium for a lot where I could watch the sunset. You come along and build your house down the hillside with lots of floor to ceiling windows. You then run to a beis din to demand I spend whatever the cost might be to build a wall on my property line to block my view of both your home (and partially obstruct my view of the sunset). Would I then respectfully tell you to take your head out from where the sun doesn’t shine and suggest you put shades on your windows??December 8, 2021 2:06 am at 2:06 am #2039286
Gadol, Bava Basra first chapter goes trough all kind of scenarios.
basic rule – 2 neighbors need a wall and one can force the other to share the cost. P. 6 discusses one yard above the other. I’ll let more knowledgeable people pasken on halakha l’maaseh. In addition to stam obligations, there are also cases of hasidut and other considerations
There are several shocking stories:
A hasid that has Eliyahu coming to him, then he built a gatehouse (and stop hearing poor) and Eliahu stopped coming. My q: surely he did teshuva and took gatehouse off? and Eliahu did not return? sad…
A major amorah Ravina forces a poor nebach via a trick (sending goats) to pay for the part of the fence between them. He is reprimanded, but still shocking.
Rav Yehudah’s student who refuses to admit he learned Torah to get food during famine.
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