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If you were an airline pilot whose job was flying banners in the sky for people, and you know for a fact that the Jewish man who wants to hire you to fly a banner saying, “Will you marry me?,” to propose to his nonJewish, what would you do and/or say?
Thank you 🙂
It doesn’t sound like a job for an ehrliche Yid in the first place, precisely because of the type of problem you mentioned. And I’m sure there are many other problematic banners that people might want you to fly.
I also wonder if it’s even possible for a Shomer Shabbos Yid to have such a job. I think someone told me that it would be hard to find a job as a Shomer Shabbos pilot. I wonder if this would be the same.
Bottom line: find another job!
I once flew a plane. And I am Shomer Shabbos (I think). And I am still looking for a job (that’s why I’m here so much)
I thought you worked in computers?
What do you mean by “I once flew a plane?” Are you really a pilot or do you mean that you flew on on a plane or that you flew a paper plane?
btw, I checked my above post, and I didn’t write that you CAN’T be a Shomer Shabbos pilot. I wrote that someone told me that it’s hard.
Really, Lilmod Ulilamaid, you think a person shouldn’t be a pilot because maybe somebody will ask him to fly a banner proposing to his non Jewish girlfriend?
Is that also true about someone who owns a print shop, the maybe that’s not a job for a Jew, as someone might ask him to print something to propose to his nj girlfriend?
Or a florist?
Stop with your narishkeit.LU: Based on your first response then one shouldn’t be a (florist, caterer, baker, jeweler etc) as you may be asked to do something for the same type of wedding.
Ask my Rav…of course! What’ the question?!
spoken like a true seminary graduate!
MrFestaguy &Iacisrmma – I never heard of this job before, but the way that LB described it, I thought it sounded like it involves flying banners that would contain things that are problematic for a Frum Jew most of the time. I don’t know how often the example she gave is likely to occur, but I thought that most of the time there would be other problems.
Again, I don’t know exactly what it’s about, so maybe I’m wrong, but I thought it would be similar to having a job that involves printing advertisements in a goyish magazine. And yes, I don’t think that a Frum Jew should take a job that involves printing advertisements in a goyish magazine. I thought that these banners were advertisements or something similar.
But if I’m wrong, I apologize.
As for the other examples the two of you gave, these things could be a problem there too, and I wouldn’t assume that it’s okay. I would find out how often it is likely to occur and then ask a sheilah about whether or not I should take the job as well as what I should do in such a situation.
Refuse any business for an intermarriage.
LU
You gave fairly strong advice “Bottom line: find another job!”
considering you admit you dont know what you are talking about“I never heard of this job before, …I thought …I don’t know… I thought …Again, I don’t know exactly what it’s about, so maybe I’m wrong, but I thought … I thought ”
If you dont know, ask for clarification
Is “mesaye liovrei averia” an issue where the person can easily get what they need from the next person?
For those of us with “gray hair” and remember these types of planes…..they are usually small planes that literally has a banner tied to the back and is usually flown over open areas (e.g. beach). At one time these pilots also were able to leave messages by forming letters with the engine exhaust smoke. As for how low they fly, i don’t think they are looking at the people as much as controlling the plane.
Maybe you could fly instead a banner that says DON’T MARRRY HIM HE’S JEWISH.
When you propose by airplane, you’re not just proposing to the person you want to marry. You’re proposing to everyone in town.
“If the pilot is flying over a crowd at the beach, that’s also a shaila, because I don’t know if the pilot is close enough to actually see individual people in their likeness.”
FAA regulations prohibit flying an airplane that close to people, except for takeoffs and landings.
As far as the Shabbos issue, banner towing is probably a good way to be self-employed, assuming you can find enough customers. But you can do your own advertising. 🙂
It could even be a way of doing kiruv. 🙂
When I saw this thread I thought lightbright was proposing to someone……. rotf 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That woild be cool if some couple were on a date and he pulls his phone out from his pocket and tells his fiancée to read….. lmho
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