February 26, 2017 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #619333
Quacky the duckParticipant
What are the best wines to get drunk on, on purim?February 26, 2017 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1222233
The one’s with alcohol.February 26, 2017 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1222234
Depends on what you like and price range. Most importantly, no drinking and drivingFebruary 26, 2017 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1222235
Try a few different ones (preferably highest alch. content 12-14%) see what goes down easy…(some say room temperature some say if its cold it goes down easier) as chumras said it’s mainly taste and price range…February 26, 2017 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1222236
bartenuraFebruary 26, 2017 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1222237
I usually buy a whole range of wines. When the bochorim come to my house collecting I let them choose what they want. Based on their choices I figure out which are the better wines.February 26, 2017 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #1222238
Joseph, how do you know which bochur is drivingFebruary 26, 2017 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1222240
If you mix hard liquor in grape juice it’s wearing a wine costume.February 26, 2017 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #1222241
Joseph: are these boys over 21 (if on the US)February 26, 2017 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #1222242
They’re all over 13. I follow Shulchan Aruch.
Farshteit zich they’re not driving. That is self-understood.February 26, 2017 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #1222243
No alcohol by me. I don’t get drunk (never have in my life).
The WolfFebruary 26, 2017 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1222244
shver: he said he wanted to get drunk…February 26, 2017 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #1222245
Over 13? And what about deena dmalchusa deena? Serving alcohol to someone under 21 is a crime (at least in NYS)?February 26, 2017 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1222246
Din Torah precedes Dina D”D. There’s a chiyuv to drink. The chiyuv starts at 13.
If you have another shitta, I respect your right to follow it.February 26, 2017 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #1222247
The halacha is to drink. Dina d”d says not to serve minors, which is NOT required in any sense by halacha.February 26, 2017 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1222248
I’m mechuyiv to help others fulfill their chiyuvim.February 27, 2017 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1222249
You have no business distorting halacha in that manner.February 27, 2017 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1222250
That characterization is merely your opinion.February 27, 2017 1:41 am at 1:41 am #1222251
Higher alcohol content is not better purim wine.February 27, 2017 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1222252
It is if you’re trying to get drunk and you don’t like wine…February 27, 2017 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1222253
YW Moderator 29: Their is a halacha to drink by the seuda until “ad dlo yada”. Not to serve wine/alcohol the entire day.
Talk to Hatzala members about how many underage drinkers are treated every year on Purim in the ER for alcohol poisoning. It’s a sobering statistic.February 27, 2017 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1222254
I think you meant to direct that to Joseph.February 27, 2017 11:38 am at 11:38 am #1222255
YW – Moderator 29: Sorry, I thought your 3rd comment was directed at me so I used your tag as the label.February 27, 2017 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1222256
it doesn’t say anywhere in halacha that one must get drunk on wines. why don’t you go straight for the whiskeys 40-45% alcohol and after 3-5 shots you have reached ur goal?
p.s Never mix drinks (wine AND whiskey) that will get u to a whole new level of ad d’lo yadaFebruary 27, 2017 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #1222257
why don’t you go straight for the whiskeys 40-45% alcohol and after 3-5 shots you have reached ur goal?
What’s the benefit of that?February 27, 2017 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1222258
Meno: What are the best wines to get drunk on, on purim?
unquote. quacky fancies getting drunk on Purim (evidently just to fulfil mitzva purposes) whiskey would simply speed up that process. just helping quacky complete mitzvos with zerizus.February 27, 2017 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1222259
TS he said “BEST WINES” unquote…February 27, 2017 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1222260
The best wines for purim (or seder night for that matter) are dry or semi dry wines. With sweet wines, the sugar goes to your head and makes you feel nauseousFebruary 27, 2017 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1222261
Joseph- between all of the shitos regarding drinking on Purim, how some meforshim say you only need yoser milimudo and go to sleep (most notably the Rama, Pri Megadim, and Mishnah Berurah), the shitos that say ad deli yada is not literal (among them I think is the Maven Avraham who says it’s just enough wine to not be able to sing a complicated song with ad delo yada in it or work out gematriyoa), and the shitos that say the chiyuv is only during the meal (the implication of the Shulchan Aruch and Rambam), you are being machmir for a random shitah I am unaware of (if he even exists) and violating Dina demalchusa Dina according to everyone else, including everyone I listed above. Not to mention we are machmir on pikuach nefesh and young boys don’t usually know how much they can take safely.February 27, 2017 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1222262
Simcha, I respect your right to follow your shitta. But the shitta that we are mechuyiv to get shikur ad dlo yoda literally is a well known, well followed, shitta many roshei yeshivos follow themselves and with their bochorim. Don’t pretend it is some quaint rare shitta. It is probably the most common one.February 27, 2017 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1222263
TrainingShadchan: See Biur Halacha Siman 695 D”H CHAYAV INISH where it states specifically wine.February 27, 2017 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1222264
The quaint rare minhag is the combining of ad delo yada peshuto kemashmao outside of the seudah. Giving kids things to drink when they come to visit you during the day is either not fulfilling their chiyiv or going way too far. It certainly violates Dina demalchusa Dina according to most shittos when the kids are underage and no chiyuv is being fulfilled.February 27, 2017 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #1222265
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Iacisrmma: he doesn’t say wine to the exclusion of other intoxicating beverages.February 27, 2017 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1222266
Simcha, I invite them to my seuda and they partake with me in the seuda.February 27, 2017 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1222267
Joseph- assuming they have their own seudah then someone is violating Dina demalchusa dina. There is no chiyuv to do it twice.February 27, 2017 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #1222268
I also don’t think your assessment of the chiyuv is correct. I bet even the Roshei Yeshiva you mention who advocate the shitah of the Shulchan Aruch would agree it’s only an ideal and not me’akev… In other words they would agree that a person would be yotzei if they “only” followed the Rama and Mishnah Berurahs’s shitah of yoser milimudo. Yes, we all try and be machmir, but when a chumra comes at the expense of a din (in this case dina demalchusa dina) one would presume the din takes precedence over the chumra. Yes, even the Rama’s shitah violates Dina demalchusa dina as that would be illegal as well, but I am under the impression that the more you serve a minor is a bigger violation of that law and by extension dina demalchusa dina.February 27, 2017 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #1222269
Question for the lawyers.
Is it in fact a violation of the law to serve alcoholic beverages to teenagers in one’s own home?February 27, 2017 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1222270
Joseph: In your first post above you stated “When the bochorim come to my house collecting I let them choose what they want. ” So how many of those who are “collecting” are invited to the seuda?February 27, 2017 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1222271
All of them.February 27, 2017 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #1222272
Do you serve them wine if they don’t want to wash, eat bread, and bentch?February 27, 2017 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #1222273
catch yourself: In NYS it is illegal to serve alcoholic beverages to any minor anywhere except your own child.
Section 260.20 of the Penal LawFebruary 27, 2017 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #1222274
☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Simcha613, have to thoroughly studied the sugya of dina d’malchusa to know when precisely it applies?February 28, 2017 12:01 am at 12:01 am #1222275
In the Soviet era it was illegal to learn Torah.
In the Hellenist era it was illegal to have a bris.
Do you guys refuse to give your under 21 year old guests wine from Kiddush on Shabbos?February 28, 2017 12:10 am at 12:10 am #1222276
The best wines are sweet wines because the sugar rush combines with the alcohol to decrease your knowledge of Haman and Mordechai. So you drink less and don’t get poisoned.February 28, 2017 1:25 am at 1:25 am #1222277
I am not a baki in the halachos of dina d’malchusa dina, but I am under the impression that if the government is not makpid, it’s not a problem.
If it were, we would all be in trouble, because there are a lot of strange laws on the books that no one follows.
In Lakewood, the law enforcement is well aware that boys under 21 drink on Purim and they do not tell them not to – they just tell them how to drink responsibly. I am sure that the same thing is true in any community with a large Jewish community.
I have never heard of anyone getting arrested on Purim for drinking or giving drinks to minors.
Note: I am not giving an opinion about whether or not one should drink/get drunk as per halacha and/or safety issues, since I don’t know enough to have an opinon in those areas. I am only commenting on the dina d’malchusa dina which I am pretty sure is not an issue.
I don’t think I have ever heard of any Posek who said that it’s assur to drink on Purim for that reason. The issues are: 1. What is the halacha of drinking on Purim? & 2. Is it dangerous?February 28, 2017 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1222278
“If it were, we would all be in trouble, because there are a lot of strange laws on the books that no one follows.”
Just curious as to which laws you’re talking about..? (no one meaning goyim or only jews..?)February 28, 2017 1:41 am at 1:41 am #1222279
No one meaning no normal person. When I was a kid, we had this book called “Kids America”. It was a huge book with lots of random, interesting things in it. I only remember two things from the book. One was the song: “I’m my own Grampa” and the other was a list of weird laws from different states.
I don’t remember all of them, but I remember that in one state (possibly Florida) you’re not allowed to take a shower with no clothes on. And in one state, you are not allowed to walk a certain pet without a leash. I think it was either a crocodile or a duck, but I’m not sure (it was definitely not a dog). Okay, so most people probably follow that one, but I imagine that most people in Florida do not follow the first law.
And there were lots of others, but I don’t remember them anymore.February 28, 2017 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1222280
Ok, so I just googled “random laws in the USA”.
Here is a sample (from various places in the USA):
1. Chickens are not allowed to cross the road.
3. It is illegal to sing off-key.
4. It is illegal to sell a toothbrush and toothpaste to the same customer on a Sunday.
5.Policemen are allowed to bite a dog if they think it will calm the dog down.
6. It is illegal to eat fried chicken any way other than eating it with your hands.
7. It is illegal for a woman to drive a car down Main Street unless her husband walks in front of the car waving a red flag.February 28, 2017 1:49 am at 1:49 am #1222281
Lilmod, i’m no posek but I assume that if most the people in the country don’t follow the law then it’s not considered a law…
But, if all the goyim follow a law and the jews want to plead religious then ddm’d would probably come into play…
My question was are there any laws that we jews don’t follow because they’re “strange” and the goyim do?February 28, 2017 1:54 am at 1:54 am #1222282
Not that I know of. That wasn’t my point. My point was that there are laws that are technically on the books but no one cares about. Or perhaps more accurately, they only care about them in certain circumstances. For example, in this case, they don’t care about it on Purim. And they make that clear when they put out warnings and guidelines that don’t say that you are not allowed to drink, but instead tell you how to drink.
And what about every Shabbos for that matter? Don’t many Frum families serve wine to their kids on Shabbos?
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