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    Quacky the duck
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    What are the best wines to get drunk on, on purim?

    #1222233

    The one’s with alcohol.

    #1222234

    lesschumras
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    Depends on what you like and price range. Most importantly, no drinking and driving

    #1222235

    bmyer
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    Try a few different ones (preferably highest alch. content 12-14%) see what goes down easy…(some say room temperature some say if its cold it goes down easier) as chumras said it’s mainly taste and price range…

    #1222236

    the_shver
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    bartenura

    #1222237

    Joseph
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    I usually buy a whole range of wines. When the bochorim come to my house collecting I let them choose what they want. Based on their choices I figure out which are the better wines.

    #1222238

    lesschumras
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    Joseph, how do you know which bochur is driving

    #1222240

    Lightbrite
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    If you mix hard liquor in grape juice it’s wearing a wine costume.

    #1222241

    iacisrmma
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    Joseph: are these boys over 21 (if on the US)

    #1222242

    Joseph
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    They’re all over 13. I follow Shulchan Aruch.

    Farshteit zich they’re not driving. That is self-understood.

    #1222243

    WolfishMusings
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    No alcohol by me. I don’t get drunk (never have in my life).

    The Wolf

    #1222244

    bmyer
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    shver: he said he wanted to get drunk…

    #1222245

    iacisrmma
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    Over 13? And what about deena dmalchusa deena? Serving alcohol to someone under 21 is a crime (at least in NYS)?

    #1222246

    Joseph
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    Din Torah precedes Dina D”D. There’s a chiyuv to drink. The chiyuv starts at 13.

    If you have another shitta, I respect your right to follow it.

    #1222247

    The halacha is to drink. Dina d”d says not to serve minors, which is NOT required in any sense by halacha.

    #1222248

    Joseph
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    I’m mechuyiv to help others fulfill their chiyuvim.

    #1222249

    You have no business distorting halacha in that manner.

    #1222250

    Joseph
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    That characterization is merely your opinion.

    #1222251

    πŸ‘‘RebYidd23
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    Higher alcohol content is not better purim wine.

    #1222252

    bmyer
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    It is if you’re trying to get drunk and you don’t like wine…

    #1222253

    iacisrmma
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    YW Moderator 29: Their is a halacha to drink by the seuda until “ad dlo yada”. Not to serve wine/alcohol the entire day.

    Talk to Hatzala members about how many underage drinkers are treated every year on Purim in the ER for alcohol poisoning. It’s a sobering statistic.

    #1222254

    I think you meant to direct that to Joseph.

    #1222255

    iacisrmma
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    YW – Moderator 29: Sorry, I thought your 3rd comment was directed at me so I used your tag as the label.

    #1222256

    it doesn’t say anywhere in halacha that one must get drunk on wines. why don’t you go straight for the whiskeys 40-45% alcohol and after 3-5 shots you have reached ur goal?

    p.s Never mix drinks (wine AND whiskey) that will get u to a whole new level of ad d’lo yada

    #1222257

    Meno
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    why don’t you go straight for the whiskeys 40-45% alcohol and after 3-5 shots you have reached ur goal?

    What’s the benefit of that?

    #1222258

    Meno: What are the best wines to get drunk on, on purim?

    unquote. quacky fancies getting drunk on Purim (evidently just to fulfil mitzva purposes) whiskey would simply speed up that process. just helping quacky complete mitzvos with zerizus.

    #1222259

    bmyer
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    TS he said “BEST WINES” unquote…

    #1222260

    Shticky Guy
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    The best wines for purim (or seder night for that matter) are dry or semi dry wines. With sweet wines, the sugar goes to your head and makes you feel nauseous

    #1222261

    simcha613
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    Joseph- between all of the shitos regarding drinking on Purim, how some meforshim say you only need yoser milimudo and go to sleep (most notably the Rama, Pri Megadim, and Mishnah Berurah), the shitos that say ad deli yada is not literal (among them I think is the Maven Avraham who says it’s just enough wine to not be able to sing a complicated song with ad delo yada in it or work out gematriyoa), and the shitos that say the chiyuv is only during the meal (the implication of the Shulchan Aruch and Rambam), you are being machmir for a random shitah I am unaware of (if he even exists) and violating Dina demalchusa Dina according to everyone else, including everyone I listed above. Not to mention we are machmir on pikuach nefesh and young boys don’t usually know how much they can take safely.

    #1222262

    Joseph
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    Simcha, I respect your right to follow your shitta. But the shitta that we are mechuyiv to get shikur ad dlo yoda literally is a well known, well followed, shitta many roshei yeshivos follow themselves and with their bochorim. Don’t pretend it is some quaint rare shitta. It is probably the most common one.

    #1222263

    iacisrmma
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    TrainingShadchan: See Biur Halacha Siman 695 D”H CHAYAV INISH where it states specifically wine.

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14166&st=&pgnum=323

    #1222264

    simcha613
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    The quaint rare minhag is the combining of ad delo yada peshuto kemashmao outside of the seudah. Giving kids things to drink when they come to visit you during the day is either not fulfilling their chiyiv or going way too far. It certainly violates Dina demalchusa Dina according to most shittos when the kids are underage and no chiyuv is being fulfilled.

    #1222265

    Iacisrmma: he doesn’t say wine to the exclusion of other intoxicating beverages.

    #1222266

    Joseph
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    Simcha, I invite them to my seuda and they partake with me in the seuda.

    #1222267

    simcha613
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    Joseph- assuming they have their own seudah then someone is violating Dina demalchusa dina. There is no chiyuv to do it twice.

    #1222268

    simcha613
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    I also don’t think your assessment of the chiyuv is correct. I bet even the Roshei Yeshiva you mention who advocate the shitah of the Shulchan Aruch would agree it’s only an ideal and not me’akev… In other words they would agree that a person would be yotzei if they “only” followed the Rama and Mishnah Berurahs’s shitah of yoser milimudo. Yes, we all try and be machmir, but when a chumra comes at the expense of a din (in this case dina demalchusa dina) one would presume the din takes precedence over the chumra. Yes, even the Rama’s shitah violates Dina demalchusa dina as that would be illegal as well, but I am under the impression that the more you serve a minor is a bigger violation of that law and by extension dina demalchusa dina.

    #1222269

    catch yourself
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    Question for the lawyers.

    Is it in fact a violation of the law to serve alcoholic beverages to teenagers in one’s own home?

    #1222270

    Joseph: In your first post above you stated “When the bochorim come to my house collecting I let them choose what they want. ” So how many of those who are “collecting” are invited to the seuda?

    #1222271

    Joseph
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    All of them.

    #1222272

    simcha613
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    Do you serve them wine if they don’t want to wash, eat bread, and bentch?

    #1222273

    iacisrmma
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    catch yourself: In NYS it is illegal to serve alcoholic beverages to any minor anywhere except your own child.

    Section 260.20 of the Penal Law

    #1222274

    Simcha613, have to thoroughly studied the sugya of dina d’malchusa to know when precisely it applies?

    #1222275

    Joseph
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    In the Soviet era it was illegal to learn Torah.

    In the Hellenist era it was illegal to have a bris.

    Do you guys refuse to give your under 21 year old guests wine from Kiddush on Shabbos?

    #1222276

    πŸ‘‘RebYidd23
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    The best wines are sweet wines because the sugar rush combines with the alcohol to decrease your knowledge of Haman and Mordechai. So you drink less and don’t get poisoned.

    #1222277

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I am not a baki in the halachos of dina d’malchusa dina, but I am under the impression that if the government is not makpid, it’s not a problem.

    If it were, we would all be in trouble, because there are a lot of strange laws on the books that no one follows.

    In Lakewood, the law enforcement is well aware that boys under 21 drink on Purim and they do not tell them not to – they just tell them how to drink responsibly. I am sure that the same thing is true in any community with a large Jewish community.

    I have never heard of anyone getting arrested on Purim for drinking or giving drinks to minors.

    Note: I am not giving an opinion about whether or not one should drink/get drunk as per halacha and/or safety issues, since I don’t know enough to have an opinon in those areas. I am only commenting on the dina d’malchusa dina which I am pretty sure is not an issue.

    I don’t think I have ever heard of any Posek who said that it’s assur to drink on Purim for that reason. The issues are: 1. What is the halacha of drinking on Purim? & 2. Is it dangerous?

    #1222278

    bmyer
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    “If it were, we would all be in trouble, because there are a lot of strange laws on the books that no one follows.”

    Just curious as to which laws you’re talking about..? (no one meaning goyim or only jews..?)

    #1222279

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    No one meaning no normal person. When I was a kid, we had this book called “Kids America”. It was a huge book with lots of random, interesting things in it. I only remember two things from the book. One was the song: “I’m my own Grampa” and the other was a list of weird laws from different states.

    I don’t remember all of them, but I remember that in one state (possibly Florida) you’re not allowed to take a shower with no clothes on. And in one state, you are not allowed to walk a certain pet without a leash. I think it was either a crocodile or a duck, but I’m not sure (it was definitely not a dog). Okay, so most people probably follow that one, but I imagine that most people in Florida do not follow the first law.

    And there were lots of others, but I don’t remember them anymore.

    #1222280

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Ok, so I just googled “random laws in the USA”.

    Here is a sample (from various places in the USA):

    1. Chickens are not allowed to cross the road.

    3. It is illegal to sing off-key.

    4. It is illegal to sell a toothbrush and toothpaste to the same customer on a Sunday.

    5.Policemen are allowed to bite a dog if they think it will calm the dog down.

    6. It is illegal to eat fried chicken any way other than eating it with your hands.

    7. It is illegal for a woman to drive a car down Main Street unless her husband walks in front of the car waving a red flag.

    #1222281

    bmyer
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    Lilmod, i’m no posek but I assume that if most the people in the country don’t follow the law then it’s not considered a law…

    But, if all the goyim follow a law and the jews want to plead religious then ddm’d would probably come into play…

    My question was are there any laws that we jews don’t follow because they’re “strange” and the goyim do?

    #1222282

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Not that I know of. That wasn’t my point. My point was that there are laws that are technically on the books but no one cares about. Or perhaps more accurately, they only care about them in certain circumstances. For example, in this case, they don’t care about it on Purim. And they make that clear when they put out warnings and guidelines that don’t say that you are not allowed to drink, but instead tell you how to drink.

    And what about every Shabbos for that matter? Don’t many Frum families serve wine to their kids on Shabbos?

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