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  • #603508

    jewishness
    Participant

    Now that the event is over…what will you be doing about your internet?

    #875639

    BYbychoice
    Member

    Be more carful I guess… but it will be hard seeing as how i was carful before! The only thing i can imagine doing about it really is stopping all together and i just am not sure how long i could go without the YWN CR!!!!!

    #875641

    Nachie
    Participant

    Realizing there is a problem is a step towards the solution.

    #875642

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Considering the dearth of responses to your post, clearly everyone has dumped their computers in response…

    #875644

    sem graduate
    Member

    I dont plan on dumping my computer but after reading some of their material and hearing 2 of the speeches, I installed a filter and am thinking of setting up a check-up system…

    #875646

    Imma613
    Participant

    Can someone summarize what was said? I read a blog summary that claims R Wacsman assured the internet and said this was binding on all of Klal Yisroel… Is this true?

    #875647

    rebdoniel
    Member

    I will continue to use the internet for what I have always used it for: learning. I live on YUTorah, UTJ Viewpoints, Daf Yomi websites, Gush’s website, etc.

    #875648

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Nothing since all the speeches were in Yiddish with no translation (At least in the Tennis Stadium)

    #875649

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Zahavasdad,

    False. R’ Elya Brudny and R’ Ephraim Wachsman both spoke in English.

    #875650

    mewho
    Participant

    we should all use the computer for solitaire only

    #875651

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Correct Rav Wacsman speech was the only one in English, the rest were in Yiddish

    #875652

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    sadly, I must concur with ANONANO….nothing will change….

    #875653

    shmoel
    Member

    Rav Wachsman, Rav Brudny and Rav Matisyahu Solomon all spoke in English.

    #875654

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Mewho, that’s what playing cards are for, unless they were banned already too.

    #875655

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I did not hear R’ Elya Brudny speak, I got in about 7:15 and left about 10.

    #875658

    Sam2
    Participant

    Imma: Not quite. He said that whatever the Gedolim who spoke after him said would be binding. Unfortunately, I don’t really know what that is because they were almost all in Yiddish after that.

    #875659

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    He said that whatever the Gedolim who spoke after him said would be binding. Unfortunately, I don’t really know what that is because they were almost all in Yiddish after that.

    Does that make what they said non-binding, or does that obligate you to find out what they said?

    #875660

    cherrybim
    Participant

    Oiye! If only Rav Moshe were here today, yiddish and all. Problem is, most of the speakers are relatively new to the Gadol position and we need a caliber or yesteryear’s Gadol to get us through this.

    #875661

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    During the Yiddish speeches many people went to their Smart phones

    #875662

    Ben Levi
    Participant

    Actually Rav Shumel Wosner one of the senior Poskim of this generation and an acknowledged Adom Gadol stated that unfiltered internet is an “issur torah” he gave sources for his ruling.

    It is quite understandable how an “issur torah” is binfing on all of Klal Yisroel.

    Rav Don Segal (also an acknowledged Adom Godol) repeatedly metioned the Gemorah of “Darkei Achrinah” which states that if one passes by a place where there is pritus even if they close their eyes they are called a “rosha”> this is an open Gemorah in Bava Basra.

    As what was being given over was the rulings of Gedolei HaDor who actually were not even asking people to just accept their “psak rather they took the time to explain some of the sources for their Psak Halocha I think that Rav Ephraim Wachsmans words that these rulings are “binding” on all of Klal Yisroel are actually quite obvious.

    #875663

    Ben Levi
    Participant

    Now of course there are those here and there stating “they disagree with the Gedolei Poskim.

    However I have yet to see anyone able to dispute the sources and reasoning behind their Psokim.

    I have seen a lot Of “I feels” and “my feelings” and other such things.

    However for the intellectually honest people amongst us it seems pretty clear what the Gedolim are saying.

    Disclaimer Teh words of the Gedolei Yisroel do not need my haskomoh and I am not trying to justify them.

    #875664

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    DY

    Do you Belive cancer and other illnesses are caused by the internet?

    #875665

    147
    Participant

    B’H I have never stooped to the level of facebook nor twitter {& didn’t need a Rabbi to figure this out}, and since I speak English & Ivrit and not Yiddish, there is nothing I can do about it, because these Yiddish speakers could have just as well spoken in chinese.

    #875666

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    What I got out of it was an answer to The Wolf’s question. He mentioned somewhere that he works in an office with a professional IT department and that department doesn’t allow filters on the Internet. We now have an answer for him. He can now demand of his IT department to install a filter in order to conform with his religion. The same way they must let him take off for Shabbos and Yom Tov, they must give him a filter because it is a gezaira by the Gedolei Hador. As Rabbi Wachsman said, “vayihi biyeshurun melech…”. When 40,000 people get together it is an acknowledgment that there is a melech in Klal Yisrael and that melech must be listened to, when that melech makes a gezaira it is binding. It is no longer just a chumra, it is now a chiyuv just like Shabbos and kashrus. He can sue them for discrimination if they don’t comply.

    #875667

    lesschumras
    Participant

    On the contrary. The sites that would be subject to filter would be those that his company’s policy prohibits him from visiting so they don’t have to provide a filter

    #875668

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Mod so if Rabbi Waksman issued a gzeira that we cannot look at sleeveless does that mean he can demand tharthe company must ban women from wearing sleeveless?

    #875669

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    It was a great, inspiring event despite the fact that I didn’t understand much of the Yiddish and felt that many people left confused. This needs follow up. It was mentioned that each Rav needs to help his community deal with the Internet based on their own needs. The real sad part is that most of the people that really need the followup help, the explanation of exactly what should and shouldn’t be done, are looking to the Internet for it, and the ichud isn’t posting anything on the Internet. So everybody is left to get their opinions from the Lashon Hara blogs that exist to bash the Gedolim.

    The Chofetz Chaim mentions on the mishna in Avos “???? ????? ?????? ???? ?????: ????, ????? ????–??? ????? ????; ????, ????? ????–??? ???? ????; ????, ?????–????; ?? ????, ??? ????–???.”

    The Chofetz Chaim mentions that there is a 5th category of those who go in order to scoff. They get “schar” for going and “schar” for doing. In other words, they lose out on even the mitzvah of going because their going is for bad.

    This is what the Lashon Hara bloggers do. Some went, some didn’t. Those who didn’t go got “reports” from those who did go. And they looked for anything they can find wrong with the event and with the message and then spewed their drivel about it online for all to see and for all to join them in their Chilul Shem Shamayim to counteract the great Kiddush Hashem that took place.

    It is this stuff that is being read by those searching for answers, those who left the event confused about what exactly the message was and what they should and should not be doing. Unfortunately they then get sucked into the leitzanus.

    What these people should be doing is going to their Rabbonim for hadracha. ??-????? ???? ????, ?????? ???? ??, ??????, ????? ??. Hopefully those who are mivakshei Hashem will do what is right.

    #875670

    far east
    Member

    Mod42- I didnt go so i cant state this as a fact. But based on what ive heard, i think most people who bashed it were upset that it wasnt what was advertised. It was advertised as teaching us how to live with the internet. Instead it was basically a “bash the internet its terrible” gathering.

    #875671

    Feif Un
    Participant

    42: Suing for discrimination is not so simple. The law says they have to make reasonable accommodations for religion. If the job entails not having a filter, then it’s no reasonable to install a filter.

    #875672

    kfb
    Participant

    When they come out and say smoking is assur min hatorah then I will get filters for my Internet!

    #875674

    writersoul
    Member

    My dad didn’t go— he watched online (from the “illegal” streaming) and from what he said (and yes, he understands Yiddish) it’s the same thing our shul’s rav says every shabbos at the drasha.

    So what’s the chiddush?

    #875675

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Zahavasdad,

    DY

    Do you Belive cancer and other illnesses are caused by the internet?

    I’m pretty sure that cancer was around before the internet, as were many other illnesses.

    Why do you ask?

    #875677

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Oiye! If only Rav Moshe were here today, yiddish and all. Problem is, most of the speakers are relatively new to the Gadol position and we need a caliber or yesteryear’s Gadol to get us through this.

    That’s not an excuse. “Yiftach b’doro k’Shmuel b’doro”.

    #875678

    Yatzmich
    Member

    Apparently many people were disappointed with the asifs. They felt that they came away with nothing new.

    Question for those people; Please explain what you were expecting and in what way the asifa fell short. Thanks

    #875680

    Csar
    Member

    Sure you will. Then you will come up with some other pretext to disregard the gedolim.

    #875681

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Can I say that I was very disappointed regarding the Asifa? I was expecting a mixture of inspiring gedolim speeches about tahar hamachane along with ba’al habatim speeches giving advice on how to raise children to be wary of the internet, and what to do about the internet in your homes. Instead, it was speech after speech in Yiddish (which, I’m sorry to say, I’m not fluent in and the translations were of little help) with vague terminology and talks of gehennom and the tahar klal. Virtually zero practical information was given over, both in terms of chinuch and technological advice. I’m sorry, but as a guy who spends my days at work in front of a computer with Internet access (filtered, but imperfectly) not to mention Internet at home so that I can work from home when needed and my wife can do her schoolwork, I would have liked something more than just mussar. I heard that the “Kosher Technology Expo” was also cancelled at the last minute.

    All in all, a major disappointment.

    #875682

    cherrybim
    Participant

    DaasYochid – “Yiftach b’doro k’Shmuel b’doro”.

    You are correct, but I’m just stating a fact.

    kfb – “When they come out and say smoking is assur min hatorah then I will get filters for my Internet!”

    I agree. But they will argue that they have filters for their cigarettes.

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