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How far would you go to support President Trump? For example, what if clear evidence came out that he was racist? What if he had actually colluded? Would you still want him as your President?
NOT ONE STEP…..
I don’t support the thrice married adulterer who spews lies every time he opens his mouth.I can’t still want him as I never wanted him.
It was very clear that Obama was far far worse than Trump, any way you slice and dice it. So unless you opposed Obama you’d have no grounds to oppose Trump.
Who i pick for president depends on who is running. I dont think there has bern a “clean” president and i wouldn’t expect to find one. Most trump supporters are willing to admit trump is a jerk while supporting his accomplishments. It is the clinton obama supporters who pretend their gods were above board and even proof in marquee lights wouldn’t change that. Find me one anti trumper willing to admit out loud that biden obama and friends were guilty of meddling in an election and abuse of power.
Why survey the more honest trumpers when you could have more fun fielding the denial of the see-no-evil dems.@Joseph
@Syag LchochmaNice tries, deflection doesn’t work and I’ll not take your bait.
The post was about the current President, not anyone else.Given that the Democrats include significant leaders who are openly anti-Semitic, and the party is increasingly anti-Israel, and supports many policies that would seriously hurt the frum community, there isn’t much choice. If the Democrats returned to the leaders in the mold of John Kennedy, Skip Jackson, Joseph Lieberman, Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey, it wold be different. But the Democrats have “evolved”, which is why many Republicans (e.g. Ronold Reagan, Donald Trump, et al,) are former Democrats.
Based on public information, it is clear that Trump was justified in demanding the Ukranians investigate corruption that took place during the Obama administration, which accepted bribes from Ukraine. It also appears that the Democrats colluded with Russian intelligence to spread “fake news” defaming Trump, and lied about it in order to get the a federal court to authorize otherwise illegal political espionage directed against the Trump campaign. In other words, so far the evidence is that Obama was guilty of high crimes.
The reality is that so many here have come to believe that we must accept the vulgarity, narcissism, bullying, and non-stop lying as the price for a President whose policies on a few issues are preferable to those of his predecessor. The notion of a President who can be a mentsch but also pursue wise policies seems to have been abandoned and we are left with the choice of two extremes with no middle ground. Just watch what is happening when a leading Evangelical Christian Journal has come out with an editorial calling for Trump’s impeachment. Immediately, the far-right Evangelicals circle the wagons and say that the “true believers” must ignore all of Trump’s vile and disgusting personal behaviors because he appoints conservative judges and supports their social policy agenda.
CTL – where in my post do you get the impression i was talking to though? I was answering a dumb question, knowing full well how blind otherwise honest people are. Never paid you a thought, sorry .
Trump who did not stand up for white nationalism in Charleston, NC is the one who encorages anti-semitism.
The Chasan Sofer explains that the chacham cleverly in the Haggadah uses a similar language like the rasha to get the rasha to reveal himself thinking that the chacham is also a rasha. The white nationalist think that Trump is one of them.The Honorable Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, is an Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence on a level greater than any of his predecessors over the last 200 years of American history.
The Trumpkopf is also the most despicable human being to ever occupy the oval office over the last 200 years of American history (with proper recognition of Andrew Johnson) . You can keep trollling your “ohev yisroel” mantra until he decides “we” are no longer the “chosen people”.
Joseph, so why is he quite and misleading?
How far would you go to support President Trump?
****I walked into the voting booth in 2016 holding my nose and promptly voted by writing “None of the Above”. However, since he is the duly elected president I will support him.****For example, what if clear evidence came out that he was racist?
**He wouldnt be the first, nor the last.***What if he had actually colluded?
*** Please tell me what the crime of collusion is?***Would you still want him as your President?
***Since there is no crime I see no reason to impeach.***g h
worse than the traitor obama?Not thick or thin, but he’s the best option we have and he’s doing a mighty good job. Remember the “new normal” standard Obama made up about job numbers? How’s the stock market doing? And Trump isn’t just representing far left Jews; he’s reaching out to observant Jews, if only the askanim would realize this. Only a Jewish Dem in a High Place would ignore this reality.
klugeryid – you ask a rational question to an irrational post? Good luck.
CTLawyer, did you support the adulterer JFK and his mob family?
GH Bill Clinton assaulted an underage female, while in office. What are your standards?
Trump was not under age at 22.
I wrote something in #1814498 that makes no sense. I meant to answer for 1 that she was not underage but 22.
Trump was an adulterer and Clinton was an addict. Both are disgusting but one puts the public more in danger.
I won’t support that behavior in either of them because I WON’T lower the bar. But all of you seem to be giving Clinton a pass for this (and Obama for the 40 trillion) etc etc so who is really lowering the bar?1: Using your rather illogical metrics, there are over a dozen women who have accused Trump of assault so he’s 1,000 percent worse. He has also verbally assaulted in the most vile terms, a vast spectrum of minorities from judges, to gold star parents, to the disabled etc. His nonstop lying and bullying Iaka “punching back” ) is beyond anything most of us could ever have imagined for our nations’ s Prsident. I strongly disagree with many of the policies of Obama, Bush 47 and Clinton but none approached the level of Trump. I’ll just disagree with you and leave it there. I will never convince you nor will you ever convince me so let it go.
Clinton did it while he was in office and lied under oath. And Hillary tried ruining her life for speaking up.
*accused doesn’t mean true
GH, I don’t know which Bush you mean 41 or 43 as there is no 47?
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Keep deflecting
The post is not about JFK,
I was not yet a teenager when he was killed and the voting age was 21.But being the kneejerk Dem that you are, you look up to JFK as a role model. Especially if you were a teen then.
Maybe, Trump is the traitor whose policies endanger our national security? His experienced advisers quit on him because they can’t take his tunnel vision policies living the Kurds in Syria and Ukrane hanging. We have a Hungarian saying, don’t throw out the dirty water until you have clean. Don’t break treaties until you have replacements. We are more in danger than ever with North Korea, Russia, China and Iran.
Reb Eliezer: The number 47 has special meaning…..Chazal bring down that the 40 implies a time of radical transition or transformation (e.g. during the mabul, itrained for 40 days and 40 nights; Moshe Rabenu spent 40 days with Hashem on Har Sinai prior to matan torah; bnai yisroel spent 40 years wandering in the wilderness until they were allowed to enter Eretz Canaan…..etc.) The 7 is the most powerful number in daas torah starting with 7 day of barias olam, shabbos being the seventh day, the seven laws of bnai Noah, the seven Avos and Imahos,, the 7 lean and fat cows in Pharoh’s dream told to yosef, the 7 days of succos and pesach, the seven years leading to shmitah, the 7 arms of the menorah in the beis hamikdash; shevah barachos for a chassanah etc.
Now, what you may ask does all this have to do with GHW Bush v. G Bush and 41 and 43….well in Gamatria 41 plus 43 is 84 as in 1984 and its dystopian vision of a Trumpian America.8 is the most powerful number lemaaleh min hatevah, as the mispar katan of Hashem, bris, Chanukah, Pesach, sukkos.
8 (1) =8, 8(2) = 16, 1+6 = 7, 8(3) = 24, 2+4 = 6, 8(4) = 32, 3+2 =5 and so on going down to 1 and starting up with 9 then 8 and so on
26(1)=26, 2+6=8, 26(2)=52, 5+2=7,26(3)=78, 7+8=15, 1+5=6 and so on
This is what Rebbi Yochanan says wherever you find a multiple of HKBH, it will become smaller.The above is from the Sefer Peninim Yekorim in the lekutim on Maseches Brochos, also explaining a talmid chacham should have an eight of an eight, 8(8) = 64, 6+4 =10, 1+0=1 the smallest integral number. I said to remember the need for the ס’ד 64 סיעתא דשמיא – ר”ת
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Learn to read. I wrote not yet a teen7 is not the same as 4
Which means there is no herring without carrotsPesach above is not a good example as the eight day is because of sefeka deyome.
Look how Trump is dismantling the ACA health care. First gets rid of the mandate in his tax law, then he says now you have no mandate, so the rest is no good without a mandate and therefore it should be abolished.
Trump is an expert in projecton. He is projecting his faults onto the other. כל הפוסל במומו פוסל Whoever degrades the other, degrades him with his own faults.
” First [Trump] get rid of the mandate in his tax law, then he says now you have no mandate, so the rest is no good without a mandate …”
Reb Eliezer: The term “illogical” is an oxymoron in relationship to Trump. He is using the same fadreidt logic in relation to the impeachment inquiry. First he blocks all of his key advisors who participated in the Ukraine fiasco from providing testimony or documents to the House investigation and now he screams there is “no first thand” testimony or evidence as to any impeachable “crimes” (ignoring the fact that he blocked the testimony). As with all else, we ignore his words and just follow his actions.
Trump has been a good friend to Eretz Yisroel and a good friend to the Yidden. Additionally, he has done other good policies while in office which he said he would do, such as improving the economy and the job market. Increasing jobs. Decreasing Illegal immigration and also the Muslim ban.
I supported him since June 2015 when he announced he was running, watched all the rallies and debates and will continue to support him no matter what.
The only thing that would cause me to NOT support him would be if he suddenly became anti-Israel….which is not going to happenIf you think theMuslim ban is a good thing then you are dangerous to the Jews as well. No minority is to be safe if a President can ban by religion.
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
If the Democrats were to switch back to their former selves (think of presidents such as John Kennedy or Harry Truman), it would change things. However many of their positions are now considered politically incorrect. As long as the conservative Republicans are blocked by the populists, and the Democrats have apparently adopted positions of militant opposition to religion (in general), capitalism and free enterprise, white privilege (a thinly veiled framework for encouraging anti-Jewish violence), and the military (needed in particular to keep us safe, as America’s primary enemies make it clear that they especially don’t like us), there isn’t much choice but to support Trump in 2020.
Note to CTLawyer above: What “Muslim ban”? That was campaign rhetoric that was never acted on. Unlike professional politicians who think before they speak and plan their lies carefully, Trump lets his mouth run and doesn’t take his rhetoric seriously UNTIL he actually has to do something. Trump banned people (not just Muslims) from countries whose governments weren’t willing or able to cooperate with the US in checking with immigrants (or tourists for that matter) were hostile to the US. None of the countries with large Muslim populations (Egypt, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, not to mention Saudi Arabia) were included. The claim of a “Muslim Ban” is an example of a “Big lie” from the Democrats, and you fell for it.
Apukerma: Sorry, but there was a time we could believe our presidents (and presidential wannabes) during the campaign. Do you not recall the promise by the Trumpkopf’s predecessor Herbert Hoover in the 1927. Presidential Campaign of “A Kotchka for every pot” (later downgraded to a “a hindl for every pot” when the campaign finance chairman checked the prices of geese with a chassidehse hashgacha.).
@Akuperma
‘Muslim Ban’ was the term used by the poster I replied to.
I never claimed a Muslim ban was put in effect.Keep spinning and deflecting. as long as you continue to live outside the USA you opinion about US politics, politicians and elections is meaningless to me. Same as my opinion on Israeli elections, parties, politicians.
That said, I only vote in one country.
GH pointed it out and I’m just Parroting
No one is going to change their mind so why hash and rehash the same points
The alleged Ukrainian/Russian collusion is a non-issue. Even if they did help the Republican party win the election, who cares? We owe them gratitude for saving our country.
A better title for this thread would be “With Trump through dumb and dumber”.
Reb Eliezer is a liar. Trump has NEVER encouraged antisemitism, and never said one good word about the neo-nazis who were at Charlottesville. He CORRECTLY pointed out that they were not the only ones there.
The Charlottesville riot was a battle between nazi thugs and communist thugs. The communists attacked the nazis, who were there to peacefully protest, so if one had to take sides an honest person would have to choose the nazis. But one doesn’t have to choose sides, one can correctly say, AS TRUMP DID that there were bad people on both sides. But one must also acknowledge, as Trump did, that there were good people on both sides too, and it’s a shame that some of them got hurt.
He explicitly said that the nazis who were there were NOT good people.
To answer the original question, if it turned out that Trump was a racist I’d be surprised and disappointed, but so long as he wasn’t against OUR race it wouldn’t stop me from supporting him. Racism is not an aveira, and there is certainly no mitzvah to oppose all racism. It’s a bad midah, but we already know Trump has many bad midos, though none as bad as those of all his opponents.
If it had turned out that he or his campaign did after all conspire with Russians to leak the DNC emails, that wouldn’t bother me AT ALL. It’s not a crime, and the leak, no matter what motivated it, was a positive thing. It gave the voters valuable information that NOBODY DISPUTES WAS TRUE. But of course we now know that the whole thing was a hoax cooked up by the Democratic Party in order to undermine Trump, and everyone who supported it needs to held responsible.
Likewise, it would not bother me AT ALL had he actually explicitly told the Ukranians that the aid HE decided to give them (after 0bama had refused) would only be forthcoming if they investigated Burisma. This would be no different from Biden’s BRAGGING about having blackmailed the previous Ukranian govenrment into firing the prosecutor who was conducting the investigation.
Milhouse, I speak with respect and don’t appreciate being called a liar. He said, very fine people on both sides which gave them strength and encouragement as approval of their behavior. Calling them out afterwards was not too helpful. The fault cannot be corrected anymore. He inadvertantly encouraged anti semitism.
חכמים הזהרו בדבריכםMilhouse, Obama held back aid because of war escalation. Once you provide aid at the time when corruptiion exists, you cannot hold it back later because of your personal benefit by helping you in the election to come.
millhouse – love that post. Well said.
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