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May 26, 2011 12:51 am at 12:51 am #597098
I heard recently that some frum? women in Beit Shemesh started wearing burkas (not sure of spelling – but i’m referring to the clothing the muslim women wear).
Is this true???
If so, what’s this all about???May 26, 2011 1:22 am at 1:22 am #771000yid.periodMember
it’s just taking tznius to the logical extreme…May 26, 2011 1:31 am at 1:31 am #771001
logical?May 26, 2011 2:00 am at 2:00 am #771002popa_bar_abbaParticipant
it’s just taking tznius to the logical extreme…
Rant: Tznius is a balance, it is not a black and white question. There is no logical extreme of tznius, since everything depends on the cost.
Of course it is more tznius to wear a burka. We don’t do it because the incremental cost to us does not balance the incremental benefit.
Of course it is more tznius not to wear a wedding dress. We do it anyway because it is important.
(As far as this issue, yes it happened, and they were condemned by all the gedolim.)May 26, 2011 2:44 am at 2:44 am #771003oomisParticipant
Ostensibly, they dress as they do to not imitate chukas hagoyim, so how do they justify taking garb that is SPECIFICALLY muslim?May 26, 2011 2:45 am at 2:45 am #771004
“As far as this issue, yes it happened, and they were condemned by all the gedolim.”
Yet they’re still doing it?
Also – even if they feel it’s more tznius – why would they want to look like muslims? there are other ways to be extremely tznius- no?May 26, 2011 2:47 am at 2:47 am #771005
btw- i still don’t know how to bold or italicize. can someone please explain it to me? (in simple terms 🙂 )May 26, 2011 3:03 am at 3:03 am #771006charliehallParticipant
“Of course it is more tznius to wear a burka.”
Nonsense. There is no clothing that will bring more to a woman on the street than a burka. That is the opposite of tzniut.May 26, 2011 3:46 am at 3:46 am #771007JamParticipant
It is not more tznius! I believe it goes under the category of ba’al tosif.May 26, 2011 4:20 am at 4:20 am #771008yid.periodMember
hey, I didn’t say I am for it at all! popa I agree 100%, but as you said, “of course it is more tznius to wear a burka” and some people aren’t as level headed as you are to determine the rest of what you said.
OP asked “what’s it all about”… I answered.May 26, 2011 4:49 am at 4:49 am #771009ilovetheholylandParticipant
ive seen them. they look like a cult. they drag their little five year old daughters into it with them.May 26, 2011 4:54 am at 4:54 am #771010observanteenMember
The “Eidah Hacharadis” has assured it. IMO, they don’t wear it because it’s more tzniusdik. It doesn’t say anywhere that a woman must cover her face like that. I think they are simply doing it to be “rebellious” and twist the Torah around. (Not that I understand what the yetzer hara to do so is, but…)
Charlie: I strongly oppose this, but in regard to what you said, Rus was also standing out with her tznius (Boaz noticed it).May 26, 2011 5:54 am at 5:54 am #771011m in IsraelMember
As mentioned, this was not accepted by gedolim. However just to address the “Muslim” garb issue, it is not really a burka. It is a full body shawl. It gives a similar impression as a burka, but it is not “chukas hagoyim” or “looking like Muslims”. This is the same (small) group of mishugaim who throw stones down the hill at another frum community who they feel doesn’t maintain a high enough standard of tznius, so it’s not really surprising. . .May 26, 2011 5:55 am at 5:55 am #771012yeshivaguy1Participant
I have seen it numerous times, whenever passing through RBS Bet. I have even seen little girls peeking off their porch wearing burkas.May 26, 2011 5:57 am at 5:57 am #771013yeshivaguy1Participant
BTW anyone know what really happened in Kiryat Sefer with that story of a 13 year old girl marrying a 16 year old guy.May 26, 2011 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #771016mewhoParticipant
now we are imitating moslems?May 26, 2011 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #771017600 Kilo BearMember
1) This is old news and only a few holdouts are left. Their leader Bruria Keren is in jail for child abuse of a nature that is so disgusting I cannot write about it here or anywhere else.
2) Just as some of the Helbrans cult victims are from frum homes, so too the Bruria Keren cult victims. Keren herself grew up in a right-wing religious tzioini home.May 26, 2011 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #771020Derech HaMelechMember
I think it is less tznius to wear these things. Just like wearing bright colors that call attention to you is not tznius, so too these burka things are so conspicuous that you can’t help but notice them.
If it was a Sephardi living in an Arab country where they already wear similar garments my opinion would be different. But here it sticks out.
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