Women wearing tzitzis

When will people sleep?

“Also being that I am expecting to see moshiach in the near future, it does look like something that will directly impact me as well.”
Ever heard of Techiyas Hameisim? Not to imply CV that the annointed one won’t be revealed as early as today.

“usually women wearing Tzitzis is associated with the complete opposite than serving Hashem”.
People are quick to judge others. Ruach Hakodesh anyone? Psychic abilities? Who can read these girls, and ladies’ minds, for it is their kavonos that are the deteminant.

The most important question: Will they wear Tcheiles?

Rashi’s daughters did not wear tefilin or tzitzis. It is a bubbe maaisa (pardon the pun) that originated relatively not that long ago in some fables tales.

Chabadshlucha, i don’t want to make a big thing out of this, but my take on “opposite of Avodas Hashem” is pajorative, and does not apply to the misguided.

I don’t mind agreeing to disagree.

Regarding Rashi’s daughters wearing tsitsis and or tefilin, and if so, weather with or without saying a brocha, there is no proof one way or the other. There us no way to know for the time being. Sorry folks, I know this is not very satisfying.

“Not Avodas hashem”, as you word it more recently Shlucha, is vastly different from “opposite of avodas hashem”

Chabadshlucha,

Let’s back up a little.

I would like to be clear of what we are talking about to get some common ground. Tell me if you agree or disagree:

Women are permitted to wear tsitsis as long as
(i) they are not intending it as a display of egalitarianism and (ii) they wear the tsitsis discreetly or make the garment in the form of feminine clothing

Let’s assume that no brocha is uttered.

Permitted or not?

yitzchokm,

We are in agreement that there are women who wear tstsis davka to show that men and women ought to have the same roles in Avoidas Hashem. We all agree that this is contrary to avodas hashem.

My angle, and it comes up quite often in the CR, is that posters are often trigger happy on the weapon of condemnation.

There are plenty of circumstances under which women wearing tsitsis is permitted. I am not talking about Women of the Wall.

I doubt R Moshe used the exact verbiage you presented. He may have been referring to Women of the Wall types who put on a rebellious show.

R Moshe was a brilliant posek but not a navi. He didn’t know of all the women in the world who wear tsitsis in halachically acceptable ways with hearts consumed with a isas hashem.

My mission here is not to appear smart or to argue. I just would like people to err on the side of kaf z’chus

WOW women are troublemakers who enjoy being in the spotlight. Many conservative jews will tell you that.
They do their schtick at the kosel knowing they will get leople’s blood boiling and they love it. If they didn’t have this cause they would find another one.

There may be 100 jewish women, there may be 1,000,000 jewish women, who secretly wear tsitsis, in keeping with halacha.

We don’t know because it’s ……… a secret.

ChabadShucha, do you maintain that a woman needs to request permission from a Rov to wear Tsitsis? You mentioned “request”. Or did you mean it another way?

Rebyidd,

There is no “THE” custom. Customs are community-dependent. That’s why you hear people say “our minhag …”.

Customs are also not halacha, which is what we are talking about.

It’s clear in Halacha that women CAN wear
tzitzis.

“if the community generally doesn’t do something, but it is permitted al pi halacha, that won’t stop me from doing it privately.”

You seem to be under the impression that an individual is not halachically bound by community custom and can privately disregard it if he / she sees fit. This is generally false. It is true in the the following scenarios:

1) When a custom varies from community to community AND the individual is a visitor who is privately acting in accordance with the custom of their home community (or a talmid keeping the practice of his rebbe).

2) When a custom is a boorish error

Neither of the above apply to our case since there are no communities where women had a custom to wear tzitzis and no Rabbonim who instructed that they ought to adopt such a practice. In fact the opposite is true, Rabbonim have objected to them doing so.

Also, I am aware that the Rema holds that if a woman puts on tzitzis she would make a bracha. This is in line with The Rema’s psak (and Ashkenazik custom) that women make a bracha on time bound mitzvot as opposed to the Shulchan Aruch’s psak that they do not. This has no bearing on the fact that women did not in practice wear tzitzis, a practice which the Rema considered a show of arrogance. You should also be aware that the Levush holds (based on Targum Yerushami) that a woman who wears tzitsis transgresses the Torah prohibition of wearing male garments.

“I am pretty much done with this topic, so if you rebut anything here, I will let you have the last word.”

Ok, will do