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Rightwriter,
And there I thought the scary part was the broken links on the CDC website…
When you believe in wild conspiracies, the world becomes a scary place.
But at least we can all appreciate that your a victim ti wild extreme conspiracies and take whatever information supports the agenda at fave value.
Health,
“ I proved to you that the Info in that Website is correct.”
Not at all, your just repeating the content.
Rightwriter
“The scary part is that Bill Gates warns of a new pandemic after COVID-19 which will be much worse and we are not prepared for it. Wow, really?”
No that is nt the scary part. The scary part is that in spite of these warnings, people don’t listen. Then when it happens, in stead of saying “Wow you were right, maybe we should listen next time” you say “Well I guess that means you caused it”
Same holds true for Weather like superstrom Sandy, Scientists have warned fo years that New York was going to have such a storm. It happened does that mean they caused it?
A relative told me awhile ago that Bill Gates thinks the world is too populated and wants to limit population growth and he wantss people to be forced to take a vaccine that will limit fertility. I laughed it off at the time, I actually couldn’t believe that there are people who believe in these conspiracy theories. This was before the covid-19 was released.
But now I know there is some truth to this rumor. As I’m digging into this topic, the more horror I am uncovering. And what I’m uncovering is all on public records. Patents since the 1980s for work on the coronavirus gain of function here in the US, pharmaceuticals involved in production of the coronavirus vaccine for decades before coronavirus was unleashed into the human population, Fauci and Bill Gates both having financial ties to Moderna, the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation contributing millions of dollars to WHO and the CDC, Bill Gates warnings about viruses and vaccines for years, Fauci in 2017, recorded on video, fortelling that a pandemic will be coming during the Trump administration and we need to be prepared, the character assignations of distinguished scientists and physicians who say anything negative against the vaccine or even simply against forcibly mandating the vaccine, the suppression of information regarding repurposed drugs that successfully treat covid, etc, etc.
Theres a bigger story here that we see, there are many things, perhaps most info on this Plandemic, that is hidden from us. Yes, I believe that this a Plandemic and I believe that Bill Gates is right, there is more and worse viruses waiting to be unleashed upon us, Hashem yerachem.
“Patents since the 1980s for work on the coronavirus gain of function here in the US, pharmaceuticals involved in production of the coronavirus vaccine for decades before coronavirus”
Great! So it wasn’t too quick. now you can get the vaccine, without worrying that it was developed too quickly!
List of employers NOT requiring their employees to get vaccinated:
The White House
The CDC
The FDA
The WHO
Moderna
Pfizer
Johnson and JohnsonOh, and I forgot to mention previously, the FDA is funded between 45-55% (depending on which programs) by pharmaceutical companies. And now they have approved the vaccine so quickly, years before it usually gets approved (vaccines are approved after at least 3-4 years of studies to get to know the long-term side affects), but now they needed FDA approval so the EXPERIMENTAL vaccines can be mandated. Non-FDA approved vaccines cannot be mandated so that’s why they needed to rush it..It became mandated for the military as soon as it was approved by the FDA… Also, the former FDA director is now the CEO of Pfizer… Also, earth shattering is the fact that the FDA now requires Pfizer AFTER the approval of the covid vaccine to submit results analyzing risk of mycarditis and pericarditis, and risk to long-term infant development in pregnant women ON OCT 31 2025 and ON May 31 2027, respectively!
You have to be really naive to think they are doing it for the “health and safety” of the American people…
“The scary part is that in spite of these warnings, people don’t listen. Then when it happens, in stead of saying “Wow you were right, maybe we should listen next time” you say “Well I guess that means you caused it””
-no ubiquitin, the scarier part is that there are people around with your type of mindset. That’s the real scary part. And the whole of us suffer due to your kind.
2scents”And there I thought the scary part was the broken links on the CDC website…”
-yup just another coincidence I presume, conveniently where it covers the topic of vaccine trial length and upcoming vaccines. It wasn’t the only site which removed that type of information.
Philosopher”Bill Gates warnings about viruses and vaccines for years, Fauci in 2017, recorded on video, fortelling that a pandemic will be coming during the Trump administration and we need to be prepared, ”
– you don’t have to believe your uncle, gates has been talking about it for years you can find video of him saying it, check before it gets removed. Also what you wrote, according to the mindsets of people like ubiquitin and 2scents, you should actually thank them for warning us instead of using your brain and questioning that there are just too many coincidences and “good intentions” going on.
Also Gates and his depopulation theorists have it all wrong. The world is not overpopulated at all. People are so close minded since they choose to live in crowded cities and think there is no world beyond that. Look at the rest of the 50 states here in America that have super wide spaces for instance a house every 2 miles. You know how many people can live in those areas? Even just going an hour out of NYC to upstate you have so much land that people can inhabit. Even Israel which is a tiny country still has space available. And places like Florida and others have empty vacancies just begging for people to rent. So this overpopulated world theory is so false. If you choose to live in a crowded city that’s your choice. That doesn’t mean you have to kill everyone to make space. If it’s too crowded for you then you can move elsewhere. I even answered this to a liberal who brought up overpopulation and he actually agreed with me when I mentioned it’s only the big cities. These are just evil people.
The world was fine all the years suddenly pandemics are a problem on a daily basis? I can’t believe people fall for this and say they are just trying to warn us because they care so much to prevent it.
You do know that Gates was kicked out of India and Africa for introducing/testing vaccines on kids and causing mutations and sterilizing them right? Of course anything you will Google now will either be “debunked” marked as conspiracy or simply removed from history.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
George Orwell, 1984Sorry, I made a mistake regarding the coronavirus vaccines. The coronavirus vaccines research started in 2011, not in the 1980s. I got it mixed up with the initial mRNA vaccine research.
But experiments with these vaccines as vectors needed to be worked on for decades regarding the mRNA transports inyo the cell’s before disintegrating, and also starting from 2011, seperate research and experiments for the coronavirus vaccine. However, they were never tested for adverse conditions, only for successful cell transport into cells and production of spike protein production.
And this is the scary part that THEY KNEW about the “upcoming” covid pandemic, they knew of the supposed covid jump from bats to humans or the supposed leak from the Wuhan laboratory… The research and development of the covid vaccine indicates that the pharmaceutical companies, Fuaci, Bill Gates and whoever sense were involved in this, they knew what is coming because they were behind it! This is scary stuff!
Bill Gates is predicting, more and deadlier viruses are coming! Many are saying “shit up and take the vaccine”! But not all of us, in fact even liberals like Bill Maher for example, are finally waking up to reality ( in this regard). We need Moshiach ASAP! We need to wake up and do yeshiva because only Hashem can save us from these evil people!
“shut up and take the vaccine” exactly.
That’s because they are all in on it.
Yes people are waking up but the elites/NWO have the head start since they managed to fool many of us in the beginning. Yes, only Hashem can save us. This is the final war and it’s a war on humanity. Good versus Evil.philosopher,
You have drifted from the Covid discussion to a general anti-vaccination or anti-medical establishment discussion. It so seems that target wasn’t really Covid treatments or the Covid vaccine as this thread initially indicated, it was an attempt on furthering your anti-vaccine agenda.
This is how a lot of these discussions end up, and usually due to a lack of substantial arguments as well as being called out for just repeating bogus data.
Your making a lot of assumptions and are buying into baseless conspiracies. You are free to do so, but at least understand why others refuse to go along with these ridiculous thoughts.
Furthermore, you should be concerned about the people behind these conspiracies and what they have to gain from spreading these baseless conspiracies. All it is doing is spreading unfounded mistrust and unnecessary concern for treating and preventing Covid.
Many colds are under the ‘coronavirus’ umbrella so it’s not suspicious that they worked on corona vaccines earlier. Similarly, many vaccines can use the MRNA technology so it isn’t suspicious that they’ve been working on *that* for a while. Based on your tirade, I assume you are a fervent Trump supporter (it should be noted that I’m a pretty strong conservative myself, just one who doesn’t think vaccines were created to be WMDs or something). Trump took the vaccine, encouraged the vaccine, and *still does* encourage the vaccine.
Tangentially, Philosopher, genuine applause to you for having your device auto correct ‘teshuva’ to ‘yeshiva.’2scents
“You have drifted from the Covid discussion to a general anti-vaccination or anti-medical establishment discussion. It so seems that target wasn’t really Covid treatments or the Covid vaccine as this thread initially indicated, it was an attempt on furthering your anti-vaccine agenda.”
In my experience it always is. I’ve had many many discussions with anti-vaxxers, minds dont get changed. Thats becasue they are coming from emotion not reason, its like the recent thread on boycotting German products, it is an emotional thing, you cant use facts or reason to change thier mind.
sure they occasionally say, I’m just asking questions , why is everybody afraid to discuss it. In my experience it always always ends this way.
discuss if you enjoy it, but if you think you’ll change minds you are wasting your time .
rightwriter
“”Yes, only Hashem can save us. This is the final war and it’s a war on humanity. Good versus Evil.”
Since you are dragging metaphysical gibberish into the cholent; Which side is R’ Chaim Kanievesky on? Good or Evil?
DBS, I never said it’s suspicious that they worked on the mRNA vaccine. Totally not. The person who pioneered the vaccine was Dr. Bobert Malone and he had nothing to do with the coronavirus vaccine. They took that technology he pioneered and made, or tried to make, the coronavirus vaccine with it. It was rushed to the market without testing for its side effect. I never said there was a conspiracy with the mRNA technically itself. The conspiracy starts with the coronavirus gain of function and the development of a vaccine for it.
As for many colds being under coronavirus you have no clue what you are talking about. Coronavirus was never a virus that infected humans, it is a completely knew strain of coronavirus which previously only infected animals. There were are debates whether this virus has jumped from a bat, the theory which has since been debunked, or escaped from a laboratory. There is clear evidence of work on gain of function of the coronavirus since the 1980s with patents for every discovery. There is clear evidence, government records, emails, etc. that the US was involved and funded in gain of function research in the Wuhan lab in China through the NISAID, with Fauxi as it it’s head. One can only wonder what the exact nature of that study was with the US’s involvement in a Chinese lab! But apparently you are a sheep who believe whatever you are told like the good little sheep you are…
2cents, I did not read further than your first two sentences be ause I am not going to read a pack of lies about me. I have never spoken against traditional vaccines. My family and I are all vaccinated (besides for with the covid vaccine) so with you calling me anti-vaxx you are just making yourself feel better and nothing more
. You must be blind not to see that’s it’s all about $ today, they care about they care about their money and not about you. The original inventors of vaccines and antibiotics and the like cared about curing illnesses, but they were not pharmaceutical. If you don’t understand this fact then you are very, very naive.
rightwriter, you are totally right. The reality is so crazy, it seems like it’s all conspiracies, but unfortunately it’s the truth. We can learn from history what kind of evil people have perpetrated to understand how evil humans can be. These scientists, politicians, people in the medical industry, and all involved in this are just perpetrating evil with modern technology as their weapons.
rightwriter, you are totally right. The reality is so crazy, it seems like it’s all conspiracies, but unfortunately it’s the truth. We can learn from history what kind of evil people have perpetrated to understand how evil humans can be. These scientists, politicians, people in the medical industry, and all involved in this are just perpetrating evil with modern technology as their weapons.
Health,
“Stop lying!”
It was you that made the statement that you found the website that correlates to your own treatment regiment. In fact, you first stated that it was published in medscape, but it really was in a sham website.
Furthermore, it is you that made the following statement earlier.
“That site lists every study name that they base their statement on.
I never go back and check to see if they are being honest.”Which essentially means you are taking them at face value.
Just to demonstrate why it would be important to actually check all these “studies”, they are smaller observations, at best. And some are ridiculous.
The Quercitin “study”, takes 100 subjects, some that took the regiment, others that did not, and after 5 weeks, 6 from the group that took it reported having flu-like symptoms, vs 12 from the control group.
That tells you nothing about treatment, it tells even tells you nothing about prophylaxis, but for some reason, it’s good enough for you.
As you were accusing others, you are simply grasping onto straws. I would recommend that you take a step back and reevaluate your position and base it on actual data.
At this point, there is a lot of data and we can kind of get a sense of what works and what not.
2cents, you are decided that medscape is a sham website because it doesn’t conform to your ideas of how covid-19 should be treated?! Lol!
I frequently quote the CDC because they are the ones most pro-gov, pro covid vax, and pro media people believe in but they are always contradicting themselves citing info that desputes their own findings and guidelines…It’s hysterical . Unless you say the CDCs website is a sham, you certainly cannot say medscape is a sham. What proof do you have that medscape is a sham? That you don’t support that particular article?
philosopher
“I frequently quote the CDC because they are the ones most pro-gov, pro covid vax, and pro media people believe in but they are always contradicting themselves citing info that desputes their own findings and guidelines”
Pretty funny that you consider yourself as someone with a handle on these topics, one can deduce from your many posts that your position on these matters has no factual or knowledgeable basis, they are primarily emotional.
You have been unable to even present supporting data and most of your so-called arguments are pretty silly, such as alledging that there are broken URL links on the CDC website. (which silly me went to check, and they seem to be functioning pretty fine, they are not intended to point to any pages, rather it gets you to a placeholder on the very same page).
You also keep on moving the goal post and when anything is explained or pointed out, instead of taking a step back and considering changing your position, you then move on to something new.
The concerns you have mentioned against the Covid vaccine are unfounded and unsubstantiated, promoting these concerns will only cause more people to remain unvaccinated and prone to acquiring the virus. This puts people at great risk, especially those with high-risk factors. Why would you do that?
philosopher
“2cents, you are decided that medscape is a sham website because it doesn’t conform to your ideas of how covid-19 should be treated?! Lol!”
Not sure why my response to this got lost somewhere. However, I never said that Medscape is a sham website. You obviously were not following along here.
Health made a statement indicating that Medscape had an article that indicates that HQC is shown to be effective against the Covid virus. It turned out that was incorrect and in fact, it was a sham website that made the statements.
You are accusing others of what you are doing. I would accept any treatment that has acceptable data to prove its efficacy. I will not jump for something and then go searching for silly websites that are designed to give a legitimate perception so that people like yourself can use it to support one thing or another.
The website that Health quoted, per his admission, was a website he found only after being asked for a reference or source that his treatment protocol is effective. There is no indication as to who is behind the website, the statements and data on that site are not real. And lastly, there are many similar websites with similar content, using different URLs but are pointing to the same IP address.
But based on previous posts, I assume you will dismiss this and just move on to find something else that at first glance seems to support your position, and when that doesn’t work out well for you, will you just find something else.
Health,
“ The only one that can be called a Sham is You and anybody else who Blindly follows the Corrupt Government!”
No substance there.
“ I take everything at face value, until I find differently.”
Pretty low standard, don’t expect the rest of us to follow suite.
With regards to the “study” you posted, on the actual study it only has 21 people enrolled (21 in total!).
They make the following remark.
“We are perfectly aware of the pragmatic nature of our study and of the possible limits of our results, having a small number of patients per group, and not being obtained in double-blind and in placebo-controlled conditions. Anyway, these results are preliminary, and the study is still ongoing.“
But more importantly…
Disclosure
“FDP belongs to the Scientific Board of Pharmextracta. AB is a Pharmextracta consultant. PA, ST and AR belong to the Scientific Board of Indena. ST & PA are employees of Indena SpA, producer of Quercetin Phytosome (ingredient used in the trial). AR reports a patent WO2019016146A1 pending.“
So in short, Phatmextracta did a extremely limited “study” using a very low number of participants, which makes any observation limited or useless. Only to promote a drug they manufacture.
I guess this is “evidence” and one of the 278 studys posted on that sham website if yours.
I hope that reasonable people reading this blog that dont have the time or interest of actually picking these unsubstantiated claims about one treatment or another, as well as unfounded made up hypothetical concerns about the Covid vaccine without realistic means of measuring the mentioned concern to at least have a basic understanding as to why most established providers and authorities in this area have dismissed these notions.
Prepare for a whole new list of restrictions in the coming month
Health,
It seems that you have different definitions of lying.
While you have taken your information from the sham website, I simply did a google search and read the actual “study” that was done by the people that manufacture the drug, that you were referring to, which even according to them, was not only extremely limited but was focused on prophylaxis. . (and btw, it has one anonymous peer review, so now they can also write in the subject peer-reviewed..)
Based on your posts it so seems that whatever treatments you were advocating for, were done so without any factual data, rather something as you have stated came up yourself.
When questioned, you stated that it was in some Medscape article, yet that was incorrect. It was in some sham website that is designed to portray legitimacy when it’s anything but legitimate.
People should have a concern as to the objective behind those planting these websites (similar content, different URLs) and misinformation on social media that plants mistrust and confusion that is unfounded and unsubstantiated.
“I always thought Jewish PCP’s cared about the pts.
It’s obvious that most don’t, but some do.
You’re from the “Most”!”You have no clue who I am, what my credentials or area of expertise are, or if I even have any credentials to begin with. All of that is irrelevant in an anonymous forum. It is the content and its substance that matters. I also have no clue who you are, and all the investing you have done in your online persona, and frankly, I don’t care. Let the facts speak for themselves.
Furthermore, we are discussing the efficacy of a treatment for the virus, being engaged, knowledgeable and up to date is a sign of caring, regardless of religious affiliation. Being emotional, locked onto your own treatment without regard to actual data and facts, is not at all a sign of caring.
Airline and supermarket restrictions are coming soon. That’s the most critical travel and food so they will leave that for the last mandates. But it will probably come sooner than we think. The smarter amongst us all saw this coming but we were just labeled conspiracy believers and mocked and laughed at, even yelled at by our closest friends for “being ridiculous” or “trying to scare them”. Noone laughing now and surely won’t be if this goes through.
“Prepare for a whole new list of restrictions in the coming month”
Absolutely right!prepare by getting vaccinated
Thank you for the encouragement
Ubiquitin “prepare by getting vaccinated
Thank you for the encouragement”
I didn’t encourage that at all. I’m encouraging everyone to wake up and fight. This is a battle for humanity and most people are realizing that by now. Even YouTube comments on both right and left wing news outlets are 95% against these mandates and realizing what’s happening is a takeover of humanity. You are just a part of the minority who think and try to portray that they are the majority. Not anymore.
RW > Even YouTube comments on both right and left wing news outlets are 95% against these mandates
You got captured by an Algorithm! this Tube will show you what you like. The more you click on something, the more it shows you same thing. Try unbiasing yourself. instead of google, youtube, or some entertainment sites, go to medline or google scholar – that has scientific publications and search for neutral words, say, “vaccine efficacy” (not biased terms like “vaccines do not work” or “vaccines are perfect”) – and then read summaries of several papers. This will give you a better slice of what research shows.
Alwaysask, actually you are wrong. YouTube algorithms only work by video suggestions not comments lol. Plus I deliberately go to left wing outlets so it has nothing to do with algorithm and I still surprisingly see the majority of comments against these laws. Of course it wasn’t the case many months ago but now people on both sides are waking up and realizing something is wrong. So yes you and the rest are of the minority right now.
And no google scholar whatever that is, obviously is biased and will show you what they want. Another thing to keep in mind if we are talking about algorithms, is that don’t forget when you use a Google search they control what they want you to see. So obviously they will push what they want to the front and hide what they don’t want seen. This reality has changed and it will become difficult If not impossible to find truth. Of course you can use a different search engine but at the end of the day the whole web is owned by left wing so it’s only a matter of time. That’s why people are fighting.
“Even YouTube comments on both right and left wing news ”
Yes YouTubecomments always a solid bastion of reasonablefor thinking
“This reality has changed and it will become difficult If not impossible to find truth”
Especially if you’ve already decided what truth is, and are just looking for opinions that support your narrative.
Earlier yiu said this was a fight between good and evil. I asked you this before which side would you expect R Chaim Kanievsky to be on?
“ This reality has changed and it will become difficult If not impossible to find truth.”
Yup, it just seems like you thought that the internet was a reliable source for anything. Slanted and gibberish content get posted all over, be it medicine, religion or politics.
Its way easier for propaganda and miss-information to spread very quickly. Pretty darn scary. But there is also more awareness about this, so hopefully people will learn not to take whatever they see online for whatever it’s worth.
Ubiquitin-“Yes YouTubecomments always a solid bastion of reasonablefor thinking”
-no, only your comments are
“Earlier yiu said this was a fight between good and evil. I asked you this before which side would you expect R Chaim Kanievsky to be on?”
-dont be sneaky, Rav Kanievsky is a tzaddik so the answer is obvious. The problem is they are giving him wrong or at least one sided information and manipulating answers I’m sure.
2scents”Its way easier for propaganda and miss-information to spread very quickly. Pretty darn scary. But there is also more awareness about this, so hopefully people will learn not to take whatever they see online for whatever it’s worth.”
-who decides what misinformation is. Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t mean it’s misinformation and it definitely doesn’t mean you should censor and hide there other sides because that’s when you go down a dangerous path. If they weren’t afraid they wouldn’t hide and censor everyone. You put everything on the table and let people decide for themselves. You don’t keep a 1 way narrative and instill into peoples minds the only information that you want them to see.since you obviously support this then you don’t understand that it’s wrong. This is nothing new there are always two sides to a story and always at least 2 different opinions. Once you take that freedom of choice away from people they have no freedom.
Funny because the liberal mindset was always about free choice and freedom of the press. Interesting how they are changing it into a more communist mindset.RW,
“This is nothing new there are always two sides to a story”
Incorrect, the facts are what they are the story is what it is. You might hear another incorrect version of the story, but that does not change the fact that the facts are what they are, or else they wouldnt be considered facts.
“who decides what misinformation is”
From Webster.
Definition of misinformation
: incorrect or misleading information> google scholar whatever that is,
google scholar is a search engine for searching published papers. It refers back to multiple scientific databases. It is not same as regular consumer google or youtube. You don’t have to use them, you can use NIH pubmed, researchgate, arxiv, proquest, sciencedirect, jstar, ebsco and various other collections to find research papers and also citations from those papers to newer papers that refer to them.
Who decides what misleading information is
RW
“-no, only your comments are”
True, though not “only”“dont be sneaky, Rav Kanievsky is a tzaddik so the answer is obvious. The problem is they are giving him wrong or at least one sided information and manipulating answers I’m sure.”
I’m not being sneaky. If he’s wrong he’s wrong I dont think he is an expert in vaccines, and certainly can be misled by wrong information.
However you characterized the vaccine “debate” as good vs evil. Exact quote: “This is the final war and it’s a war on humanity. Good versus Evil.”That, I have a harder time accepting. R’ Chaim Kanievesky falls squarely in the Pro-vaccine side of the “debate” . The fact that you think he was misled, and that you can see things clearer than he can doesn’t change that. Are yo u saying he was misled to join the forces of evil?
RW,
“Who decides what misleading information is”
Either the accepted authoritative bodies or one can delve to the source and see the data/facts for themselves. This can easily be done in today’s age.
Unsubstantiated and unfounded information is misinformation.
> Who decides what misleading information is
you. Here is one way: find a subject that you know well – studied, can pass an exam, talked with experts. Say, liver diseases, statistics, or medieval Polish Jewish history, or halochos of giraffe schehita, or Chinese cooking. Then, listen to people who speak about it and evaluate whether what they say is sound and honest. When you find such people, listen to them in other areas, listen to who they quote, ask them for references to other authorities.
For example, on COVID, I am not an expert on medical and public health aspects, but I know statistics, cluster analysis, and machine learning. So, when I read an article and I see that they are doing statistics well, I then pay more attention to their medical conclusions. This is not a fair example, of course, as statistics happen to be at the core of the current crisis and general level of education is low. But I also tried this in Jewish learning. I was fortunate to learn a small number sugyuot with very good teachers but this is generally sufficient to “test” any other speaker/teacher.
How do I know those teachers knew what they are talking about? Rav Steinsaltz Z’L, for example, when talking to me for the first time joked about my last name that showed his knowledge of an obscure historical place. Another time, I was interested in an relatively obscure old book of halakhos in abnormal situation and asked about it. Several people could not help, my local Teacher read it before and explained it to me, my Lakewood Teacher picked it up from the bookshelf right above him and we learnt a page from there.
rightwriter, to start out with, our liberal, pro-abortion murderers, pro-elderly murder murderers, pro-child abuse abusers, edited power grabbing, corrupt political leaders and their evil supporters who have the ability to help, like the mainstream media and social media.
Btw for those who may find it interesting, that the actual inventor himself of the MRNA vaccine technology that Pfizer is using, Dr. Malone, advised against the mass vaccinations and said that especially due to all the boosters they are increasing negative effects. Here is the article read for yourself.
https://www.independent. org/news/article.asp?id=13729
please stop posting links
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