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1. I want to write notes on the Gemoro I learn. Is it better to write during or after Shiur? How should I write the notes? Any style (Cornell method, etc.)?
2. I want to do Chazzoro on my learning well. What is a good Chazzoro method? How long after I learn should I keep on doing Chazoro?
3. I want to memorise my learning well. I already use Zichru (amazing program) but I only memorise with it the main sugyos, not the Shakla Ve’Tariya. How can I improve this method to memorise more (especially Shakla Vetaria), or what is a method to help me memorise lots more? Any seforim that talk about this? Any methods?
Thanks so much!!!
for chazara- use 123 method- day 1 learn 1 day 2 learn 12 day 3 learn 123 day 4 learn 234 day 5 learn 345 etc. that way everything is learnt 3 times- endorsed by a gadol of the previous generation
and who told you its important for a bachur to memorize
Write shorthand notes during shiur in the following style
Q –
A-
S –
where Q is a question A is answer and S is statement. That will help you follow the Rebbe’s train of thought.
Afterwards, write the shiur over again in complete sentences and copying over the מראה מקומות your Rebbi brought in Shiur.
I very highly recommend the English sefer “Ben Yeshiva” by Rabbi Lopiansky. You should get some good guidance there.
If your goal is to remember your learning 3,5,10 years from now, then memorizing shakla v’tarya is not going to be very helpful. You want to focus on the Maskanos of the sugyos. You can write down the maskanos on index cards. One maskanah per card. If there is a key chakirah in the sugyah that would also be an index card – chakiros can go in a separate compartment. Very important to write on paper, not a computer. Hatzlacha!Do you actually learn something at all or just learn for the sake of learning. What about your wife. Do you leave her with all the work at home?
none:
Learning for the sake of learning (Limud Torah/ Talmud Torah Kneged Kulum), is the best form of learning.
And where did any wives come into this picture?
> is the best form of learning
this is not an only opinion:
R Huna, AZ 17 anyone who engages in Torah study alone is considered like one who does not have a true God.
Kuddishin 40 mishna: Anyone who is engaged in the study of Bible, and in the study of Mishna, and in the desired mode of behavior, i.e., he performs labor and generally acts in an appropriate manner, will not be quick to sin
Rabbi Tarfon answered and said: Action is greater. Rabbi Akiva answered and said: Study is greater. Everyone answered and said: Study is greater, but not as an independent value; rather, it is greater as study leads to action.
Avot 4 Rabbi Yishmael bar (son of) Rabbi Yossi said: One who studies Torah in order to teach is granted the ability to study and to teach. One who studies in order to do is granted the ability to study, to teach, to observe, and to do.None, yes, the wife is relevant. That is a reason in some sources to learn before marriage! There might be social differences – in Bavel, one could marry and then travel to learn. In EY, people stayed “in town” when they learned and thus had family responsibilities, and thus learned intensely before getting marriage.
I don’t think Rabbis saw marriages as a negative circumstance that interfered with the yeshiva schedule. If they did, they would put some takanot out, like no taking out garbage before the end of the first zman. It is just a normal thing for a normal Yid to take care of his family. R Avigdor Miller answers a question: “when is the right time to quit kollel, my wife and I have a disagreement”. Answer: whenever your wife says so, you have your obligations that she voluntarily suspended for a time.
And in today’s world, it is really not difficult to spend a couple of years half a day in one’s youth to prepare for a reasonably paying ehrliche job, whether a lawyer or a carpenter, and then work part time to support your family and be able to learn to you 120… So, as you are saying, it is hard to understand thinking of people who insist on burdening their families for the rest of their lives.
Ujm who cares. Ah repetition. A form of control
@ AAQ
How many lawyers and carpenters in the real world do you know that support their family by working part time?
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