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May 2, 2025 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2394441Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
some> drag Rav Chaim’s name through the mud
did you miss an article recently showing a letter from R Shmuel Kamenetsky to R Chaim asking him to clarify his position and his response? Note that this also shows that R Shmuel had a question and would accept an answer going both ways.
As to pseudo-Q, there is clearly a power struggle between R- and C- and religious Jews in this election, as we see from their promotion of R Landau’s letter. So, then your non-vote helps the Reformim. I am not saying this is dismissing all other possible arguments, but it is something to keep in mind that your standing for purity of something (something that R Chaim and poss R Shmuel did not stand for) is of help to, H’V strength Reformim in EY). So, for those who have a sofek, this should matter,
May 2, 2025 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2394510Yaakov Yosef AParticipantWhy does everything have to do with ‘Eretz HaKodesh’? EHK or any other party to the WZO (there are another three Orthodox parties BTW – Shas, Aish Hatorah,and Mizrachi) has zero power to stop the Reform and Conservative loonies from doing anything. Even if they could stop all WZO funding for Reform/Conservative (they can’t), there are still plenty of private donors with lots of money to give to these krum causes. There really aren’t any native Israelis who believe in Reform/Conservative, they are either American expats, or local atheists. (Yair Lapid sometimes goes to a Reform congregation in Tel Aviv to do something. What exactly, I don’t know.) The handful of local Israeli ‘Reform’ really don’t believe in anything. They just use the Reform ’cause’ to promote their anti-Torah agenda by demanding that the State recognize ‘alternative streams’ of ‘Judaism’. The Supreme Court, AG, media, etc. help them in every way they can, against the wishes of the majority, in the name of ‘democracy’, despite the Likud/Chareidi/Dati block winning election after election (in real elections). What does this have to do with EHK, or even the WZO, for that matter?
BTW, the reason American non-Orthodox Jews have so much influence in the WZO is not because they VOTE in their elections, it’s because they GIVE most of the money… In the unlikely event that the WZO stops doing what they want it to do, they will stop sending them money, and send it directly to the causes they favor. That is precisely the reason the four Orthodox parties in the WZO can do nothing to stop them. What exactly can EHK do about that?
By the way, the World Mizrachi Organization was founded over 120 years ago, to represent Mitzvah observant Jewry in the WZO (right from the start). At the time, the majority of Yidden were still basically Orthodox. The naive/krum Mizrachi leaders thought that the more Frum representatives they could get in, the more they could steer the new Zionist movement in a Kosher direction… Leaving aside the issues involved in Zionism itself, there were those (baalei battim) who said that once there was an organized movement to settle Eretz Yisroel why not vote in some of our chevra and get a piece of the pie for Yeshivos, Frum settlements, etc. … The Gedolim of that generation did not agree with that approach. They warned that the ones who would control the WZO would be the ones with the money and political connections (Rothschild family etc.), and no amount of Frum representation would be able to change that… All the Mizrachi would accomplish is to provide a ‘hechsher stamp’ to draw the as-yet observant Yidden closer to people with very krum hashkofos, with disastrous results. The rest is history…
That is the bottom line at the WZO until today – the people who give 95% the money will control 95% of the money, and EHK can do nothing about it. If YOU have money, give it directly to worthy causes. You will accomplish much more for Klal Yisroel.
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